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  • I IQOB BITH

    I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

    Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

    Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

    #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

    #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

    Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
    Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
    My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

    Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
    I put a finger to mine own
    Silence!
    unlock the door so I may enter
    the palace whose name is written in no tome

    Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
    for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
    Silence!
    her secret name, the keeper of the ember
    the laccus which harbors the living flame

    Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
    I put a finger to mine own
    Silence!
    I shall tear the door asunder
    for of these mysteries are made a womb

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    Frater 639
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    😀 😀 😀

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    • I IQOB BITH

      I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

      Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

      Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

      #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

      #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

      Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
      Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
      My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

      Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
      I put a finger to mine own
      Silence!
      unlock the door so I may enter
      the palace whose name is written in no tome

      Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
      for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
      Silence!
      her secret name, the keeper of the ember
      the laccus which harbors the living flame

      Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
      I put a finger to mine own
      Silence!
      I shall tear the door asunder
      for of these mysteries are made a womb

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      Uni_Verse
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      Working on the theoretical foundations of Magick can be a form of yoga...

      Theories, built upon experience is what shall allow you to determine what is a break and what is an actual issue (at the very least, assist in doing so).
      A feeling of discomfort from your ankle may be a break, it could also be a sign you are putting too much pressure, that there is an imbalance in your posture.
      In the former case, it happens, you pay it not mind... life is peachy.
      Were it the latter, without taking proper care you may do permanent damage.

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      • I IQOB BITH

        I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

        Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

        Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

        #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

        #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

        Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
        Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
        My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

        Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
        I put a finger to mine own
        Silence!
        unlock the door so I may enter
        the palace whose name is written in no tome

        Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
        for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
        Silence!
        her secret name, the keeper of the ember
        the laccus which harbors the living flame

        Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
        I put a finger to mine own
        Silence!
        I shall tear the door asunder
        for of these mysteries are made a womb

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        @Uni_Verse said

        "Working on the theoretical foundations of Magick can be a form of yoga...

        Theories, built upon experience is what shall allow you to determine what is a break and what is an actual issue (at the very least, assist in doing so).
        A feeling of discomfort from your ankle may be a break, it could also be a sign you are putting too much pressure, that there is an imbalance in your posture.
        In the former case, it happens, you pay it not mind... life is peachy.
        Were it the latter, without taking proper care you may do permanent damage."

        When I read this, the comments fit quite nicely in regard to resolving dis-ease and imbalance in all aspects of life -- and learning how to will and following your Path. 😀

        Become one with what works, distance yourself from what doesn't. 👌

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        • I IQOB BITH

          I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

          Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

          Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

          #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

          #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

          Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
          Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
          My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

          Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
          I put a finger to mine own
          Silence!
          unlock the door so I may enter
          the palace whose name is written in no tome

          Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
          for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
          Silence!
          her secret name, the keeper of the ember
          the laccus which harbors the living flame

          Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
          I put a finger to mine own
          Silence!
          I shall tear the door asunder
          for of these mysteries are made a womb

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          IQOB BITH
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          Agreed, this ship of mine lost a ballast stone.

          So, during my most recent meditation session at one point perhaps 10 maybe 15 minutes in I started feeling like my body was just going to stand up with out my telling it to. I will assuredly butcher this experience by trying to convey and understand it. (just so you know i am aware). However it seems to me that this could be another indication that I am not "balanced". It felt as if my body were a vessel that was being overfilled, with an exaggeration of the effect on the (inside of the) front of my body. As if the force were pulling me the way a horse is yoked to a wagon, in the sense that it pushes the wagon. "You" said note the observations, I would not think much of this if It had not been so dramatic. The feeling became quite exaggerated at one point, so much sot that I felt as if i would begin to perspire if I did not give in. I decided to stay the course and continue focusing on my breath and eventually the phenomena subsided. My question is was my body trying to say get the frak up? should I have assumed so and given in? or was I right in just sticking it out. My apologies if these questions are shallow, thanks every one so much for the replies. They have been a god send truly.

          I am a cancer and I know that my (maternal)grand father had manic episodes and mother has dyslexia and has suffered for a long time with emotional problems. I bring that up because I feel that my subconscious emotional state is getting stirred up, and I know it has got to be causing some imbalance. I have had trauma throughout life but I have but have always been able to roll with it with an appropriate amount of pain. I think some of the things from my past (behaviors, habits, experiences etc.) are causing some kind of imbalance. But is this not part of the great work? To purify the different aspects of our consciousness? Thanks again every one.

          WILL
          LOVE

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          • I IQOB BITH

            I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

            Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

            Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

            #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

            #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

            Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
            Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
            My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

            Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
            I put a finger to mine own
            Silence!
            unlock the door so I may enter
            the palace whose name is written in no tome

            Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
            for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
            Silence!
            her secret name, the keeper of the ember
            the laccus which harbors the living flame

            Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
            I put a finger to mine own
            Silence!
            I shall tear the door asunder
            for of these mysteries are made a womb

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            Uni_Verse
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            #24

            Is this a solitary occurrence?
            If so, it may be nothing to worry about.

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            • I IQOB BITH

              I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

              Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

              Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

              #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

              #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

              Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
              Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
              My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

              Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
              I put a finger to mine own
              Silence!
              unlock the door so I may enter
              the palace whose name is written in no tome

              Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
              for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
              Silence!
              her secret name, the keeper of the ember
              the laccus which harbors the living flame

              Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
              I put a finger to mine own
              Silence!
              I shall tear the door asunder
              for of these mysteries are made a womb

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              IQOB BITH
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              Yes, that is the only time I have experienced that specific phenomena. I was just worried that it could have been caused or at least spurred on by whatever is causing the "moods".

              Or do you mean does this only happen when I am alone?

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              • I IQOB BITH

                I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

                Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

                Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

                #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

                #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

                Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
                Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
                My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

                Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                I put a finger to mine own
                Silence!
                unlock the door so I may enter
                the palace whose name is written in no tome

                Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
                for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
                Silence!
                her secret name, the keeper of the ember
                the laccus which harbors the living flame

                Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                I put a finger to mine own
                Silence!
                I shall tear the door asunder
                for of these mysteries are made a womb

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                Avshalom Binyamin
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                Magick and mysticism excite and exaggerate our personality imbalances. Listen to yourself and take a break when something gets to be too much. If there's some serious healing you need to do, go do that, and come back to this later. 😄

                If you're still functioning, and are just having manageable mood/personality issues in response to your practice--then, have some good food, get some sunshine, get your feet in the dirt/grass/sand/water, watch out for over-indulgence in mind-altering substances for the time being, and warn your friends and lovers that you're going to be "cranky" and need their support.

                And then, make sure not to resist any uncomfortable feelings/ideas that come up. Just give yourself some quiet time, and let yourself experience them fully. And persist. Is part of you curious about what happens next? 😄

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                • I IQOB BITH

                  I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

                  Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

                  Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

                  #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

                  #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

                  Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
                  Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
                  My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

                  Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                  I put a finger to mine own
                  Silence!
                  unlock the door so I may enter
                  the palace whose name is written in no tome

                  Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
                  for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
                  Silence!
                  her secret name, the keeper of the ember
                  the laccus which harbors the living flame

                  Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                  I put a finger to mine own
                  Silence!
                  I shall tear the door asunder
                  for of these mysteries are made a womb

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                  It could very well me a manifestation of your fear.
                  "Oh no, do not walk down this path.. you will end up just like them!"
                  Regardless, it is an issue you need to work through (or you would not have brought it up).
                  As you will find that either :
                  (a) that fear did cause the phenomenon, which will stop occurring once you work through the issue
                  (b) the fear has nothing to do with the phenomenon and there is another underlying issue
                  (c) it was a solitary occurrence of no real significance

                  Obviously, this is conjecture and you will not find an answer unless you continue your practices 😄

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                    I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

                    Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

                    Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

                    #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

                    #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

                    Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
                    Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
                    My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

                    Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                    I put a finger to mine own
                    Silence!
                    unlock the door so I may enter
                    the palace whose name is written in no tome

                    Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
                    for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
                    Silence!
                    her secret name, the keeper of the ember
                    the laccus which harbors the living flame

                    Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                    I put a finger to mine own
                    Silence!
                    I shall tear the door asunder
                    for of these mysteries are made a womb

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                    I would just keep practicing. You may start to notice that your over-analysis might be bordering on obsession.

                    Asana does make you more aware of a lot of thngs...and when you start to put the bridle on your mind, it will fight back. The mind is a wonderful slave but a terrible master.

                    Note the observations -- they are "breaks" in your concentration. Again, these are concentration exercises.

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                      I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

                      Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

                      Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

                      #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

                      #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

                      Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
                      Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
                      My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

                      Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                      I put a finger to mine own
                      Silence!
                      unlock the door so I may enter
                      the palace whose name is written in no tome

                      Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
                      for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
                      Silence!
                      her secret name, the keeper of the ember
                      the laccus which harbors the living flame

                      Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                      I put a finger to mine own
                      Silence!
                      I shall tear the door asunder
                      for of these mysteries are made a womb

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                      Frater639

                      "over-analysis might be bordering on obsession"

                      I agree, I developed a tendency to over analyze pretty much every thing as a teen. I have always rationalized that over-analysis is better that over-simplification. However I would like to make the conjecture that the over-analysis would only be negative if it were not beneficial or was in any way harmful. So based on that I can say that my tendency to over-analyze things is acting as a sort of road block. Which could be taken as positive or negative(ambiguity ugh). Also, while obsession does not nescessarily make a good scientist, it seems that many who we know now were pretty obsessed with what they were doing. I need to learn to do more by doing less 😊 do it all by doing nothing...

                      I definately get the mind-bridle idea. That was one of the first things I noticed, that when i would try to control my mind that it would definately resist.

                      "Note the observations -- they are "breaks" in your concentration"

                      And ....I get it, to hold the mind on a singular focus is concentration. Thank you for not backing off, some times things need to be pounded in. I thought I should focus on say the breath or retaining the asana and note observations. So I was essentially looking for things to observe 🙄
                      Question, do you or would you recomend making a note of breaks as they happen? or should they be noted afterword?

                      @Uni_Verse said

                      "It could very well me a manifestation of your fear.
                      "Oh no, do not walk down this path.. you will end up just like them!"
                      Regardless, it is an issue you need to work through (or you would not have brought it up).
                      As you will find that either :
                      (a) that fear did cause the phenomenon, which will stop occurring once you work through the issue
                      (b) the fear has nothing to do with the phenomenon and there is another underlying issue
                      (c) it was a solitary occurrence of no real significance

                      Obviously, this is conjecture and you will not find an answer unless you continue your practices 😄"

                      I am not quite sure where the fear you mention originated in my post. Unless you are saying that the disturbance was caused by an underlying fear of continuing to take control. I have had a theory for a while now that the thing that was keeping me from lucidly dreaming was a fear that I would not be able to control the things or situations I would create. So every time I would become lucid I would wake up. I am feeling like this may have something to do with accepting that the fact that those horrible things are coming out of my mind, and maybe I really cant control it.

                      and AB

                      "If you're still functioning"

                      HA yes my friend, thank you. I have a pretty normal life also somehow I feel like im the only one of my species somedays... But yes functioning I can happily claim to be. What has happened in the past when I indulge the episode I usually end up being happier than I was and also there is a strong recharge of appreciation for things like family. I usually come back to the Idea that im pretty damn happy were I am and i know all those paths I took that led me through rough times helped make me the person I am now who is a person that believes he can be better. Interesting how saying " I can be better" sounds conceited when actually im only admitting I am not perfect.

                      damn.... never realised how long winded I am. I am already learning to type faster ... 😲

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                      • I IQOB BITH

                        I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

                        Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

                        Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

                        #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

                        #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

                        Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
                        Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
                        My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

                        Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                        I put a finger to mine own
                        Silence!
                        unlock the door so I may enter
                        the palace whose name is written in no tome

                        Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
                        for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
                        Silence!
                        her secret name, the keeper of the ember
                        the laccus which harbors the living flame

                        Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                        I put a finger to mine own
                        Silence!
                        I shall tear the door asunder
                        for of these mysteries are made a womb

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                        @IQOB BITH said

                        "Question, do you or would you recomend making a note of breaks as they happen? or should they be noted afterword?"

                        Immediately written down after the practice is concluded.

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                          I became aware early on in my search (im still in early stages) that the role of the initial grades of initiation (I believe this may be GD but could also be thelemic, im sure some one will know) are working with the elemental aspects within the initiate. So I thought that would be a good place to start. I chose an asana (dragon) based on a random "vision" i had during sex of a very "Chinese" black colored dragon ( i thought maybe I AM THE DRAGON... haha). Learned the LBRH and decided I would do that ritual and then assume the asana and meditate for an undecided amount of time.

                          Initially I felt some what awkward performing the ritual. Knowing that I was making mistakes really inhibited me from "being in the moment" as it were. I decided to leave off the ritual until I had the will to do it correctly.( just a matter of applying ones self)

                          Ok questions, #1. Should I be focused on transmuting these aspects of my "atman"(?) or should I focus more on samadhi? which I was under the impression that samadhi was the "union of the object and the observer".

                          #2. I was "meditating" and focusing on an object and at one point it felt as if I had more than one point of view and i simultaneously saw the object and saw myself from the point of view of the object. Is this something i should take as encouragement or write off? LAter on I was still focusing on annihilating the impression of duality. During a later meditation I was inspired to realize that my physical body was the object and "I" (not the fingers on the keys) was the observer. Comments?

                          #3. I recently decided to write a little prose,(posted at bottom) I write only occasionally. I wrote a short piece over a couple days and felt quite good about it. It was nothing particularly enthralling but it clicked in my mind. The poem became a sort of mantra that I repeat whenever I notice my mind slipping into idle thought.

                          Then one day I decided to meditate on the planetary aspect of the hour of day in which i would be meditating. The hour was 10:00 am on Fri. and i found the (correct?) attribution to Venus. So I constructed a sigil of what I found to be the Symbols for Anael and of Venus. During this specific mediation I was inspired to look at the womb mentioned in the poem as death. But not necessarily physical death, but rather the "dying" of something in order in order for it to be reborn. And in a subsequent meditation i envisioned myself by a stream with some one, it felt as if anael were with me and communicating to me non verbally that the water (the water of earth, venus?) exist to wash away the impurities of my inner self. Not unlike the whole bathed in the blood of Jesus deal. ( wheres the question you might say)
                          Before writing the prose I had been inspired to start making the Water sign of Auramoth when my hands were idle, later I learned that you become the glyph when making this symbol.
                          My question is should I entertain the idea that through my mediocre daily observances I was actually allowed this experience? Or should I remain skeptical and assume that because I want to see the connections i may be subconsciously drawing them were none exist?

                          Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                          I put a finger to mine own
                          Silence!
                          unlock the door so I may enter
                          the palace whose name is written in no tome

                          Along the darkened path I shall cease to wonder
                          for by the light of the eternal lantern I have seen the way
                          Silence!
                          her secret name, the keeper of the ember
                          the laccus which harbors the living flame

                          Eternity rests upon the lips of every moment
                          I put a finger to mine own
                          Silence!
                          I shall tear the door asunder
                          for of these mysteries are made a womb

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