Alcohol and Magic/k
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And isn't it sick, Veronica, how "they" still have the weak dependent on alcohol, and then "they" ruin, bastardize, impuritize, and push the sacraments of Nuit upon the weak from other parts of the world. The only kind of sacrament they cannot muck up is cannabis. Thank RHK.
We must remember, that "they" never were in "control" in the first place. There's no actual connection between "them" "giving" prototype humans these sacraments and the humans actually taking them and evolving because of them. See, that's the trick, the universal cloak-and-joke.
Our HGAs and the combined version of them in perfect samadhi, (God Her/Himself,) created all this for us and put these plants and fungus here for our development, strength, and survival.
If coca alone had not been available to slave prototype humans, we would not have reasoning ability that we do now, and for sure our brains would be slightly smaller because of it.
If "the cactus", fungus, and harmala/tryptamine-containing plants had not been available, our language centers would not have developed, in fact we would even now be left to grunts, moaning, and yelling. We haven't been here that long.
And you know, if you look at the difference between the fifties and the seventies, (the decade when the ultimate of Nuit's sacraments was discovered and made available to the world and the younger generation almost as a whole,) it seems that LSD caused thousands of years of social evolution, from music, to clothing, down to textiles and automobiles, in a span of ten years.
One can see the collective human consciousness picking up on what was about to happen during the forties and fifties. Fins, (almost wings,) on cars out of nowhere. Music taking a very strange turn, but not as fast as when LSD was made available. This particular sacrament is so strong that humans actually were aware of the change it would have almost twenty years in advance. One can clearly see the evolutionary difference once the general population of doctors and youth began experimenting.
Peace and Power
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Do What Thou Wilt Brother,
I learned along time ago, when sitting through long lectures on history, consciousness and social responsibilty to try not to use the words, THEY! THEM! Or even TPTB. I try to use empowering words, and words that claim resonsiblitiy, like US! WE! maybe it is just a cheep mindfudge for me, IDK.
I fortunately have a strong mind so, no it doesnt make me sick.
I fortunately have a soft heart, so it does make me sad....I disagree with you whole heartedly that the use of drugs has helped humanity. I agree that the use of drugs may have helped some people, but as a whole it has been a terrible flop.
I will not derail this topic debating my opinion on this, and presenting my evidence which I believe completely proves it.
But I will state, to keep this on topic, that the use of substances as a Holy Sacrement, and as an aid to ritual ( which is an aid to LIFE) WAS NEVER intended for Joe schmoe, and everyday recreation, and that to partake of the Holy Union, and to invite its blessings upon a practioner, was only to be done after years, of monastic life, after years of preperation, and after years of becomeing a worthy vessel.
These rites are intended to do a specific thing, to serve a specific function, and to expect anyone off the street to be able to handle this force, this energy current, this shift in molecular being, is to invite havok upon them, to invite demons into them, to rip then asunder and cast them naked upon the shore.
I took LSD once, as a teen, as part of a rite that was given to me, for me. It did what it was supposed to do. But I had prepared long and hard for that rite.
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I use Nuit's wine and strange drugs as recommended and recorded by Crowley, not much more than that.
All in ritual, and always unto our lady Nuit.
Veronica, let us not forget the normally unforeseeable long-haul that is normally the reason for everything, to progress humanity through time. Psychedelics and cocaine alone have been proven to open and evolve the language centers in the brain, and to vastly improve intuition and long-term memory, (basically the same thing -- short-term memory are training wheels for pure intuition.)
Let us not also forget than man h as done all this to himself -- thus your explanation of not wanting to use specific terms to identify something that doesn't really exist anyways, in terms of influencing humanity. I believe humans intuitively know what's right for them ---
but when they start making mind-control devices like televisions and then watch them to learn how to live, they've crossed that fine line between evolution and madness.
I stopped watching TV years ago, but still use W&SD every day. Easily I see, how Television has the effect upon "sober" people, in the way that they would think drugs would have effect upon me. Everything I do is unto our Lady Nuit, so the power flows with these allies with me.
Thank you for your input, fair Sister.
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@ThelemicMage said
"I stopped watching TV years ago, but still use W&SD every day."
They are not strange if you use them every day
My interpretation of the line is as a call to open up and embrace new experiences.
While, in some ways I agree with Veronica, that certain substances may be harmful to your 'average Joe.'
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Verse of the unification, you are right-on.
There is always time and room for a journey, to learn. Well, already on a journey we all are, together, so we must be vigilant in all we do to not miss anything important.
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I am not judging what you do, with yourself at all. I have no beef with your choices at all and I am sorry if I didnt come across that way. i love diversity, and free will, and by all means if anyone wants to indulge go right ahead, I wont narc you out.
And I will say too that it is rare indeed to find men willing to devote and dedicate Everything to Nuit, very rare indeed. i think the world needs more peop,e consciously devoting every aspect of thier lives to Her.
you are so in touch with your femine side, you understand time differently then most men, who are not only Not in touch with that side of them selves, but actively Against that side of themselves. Rest assurd you do not need to remind me of anything, I am 100 girl.
and the scary thing for me is that while I know I am a pretty darn clever girl, their are people out there who are a hundred times smarter, more devious, and probably better looking then me too. The smart ones, who only use ( not abuse) those are people who have been milking the masses, sure by thier own consent..but still.....milking them none the less for a very long time.Where is VanHelsing when needed?? we traded our Priests for Vampires, The Great White Brotherhood for the Black Brother, go figure.
My initial comment was really just an attempt to muse of the fact that what you saw simply as a sign of great liberation and empowerment, could also be seen as a sign of great slavery and injustice....depending on where one stands. Had spent he day downtown, with lawyers, judges, criminals, victims, and the extended family that goes with it, and so I could very easily see "their" side, as drug are bad and have been bad for a very long time. i thought my comment about really old dudes was just ridiculous and made me giggle.
Oh well.
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I picked up on your vibes, lady Veronica.
Figured I did, to just throw in some information that I didn't know if I had posted yet.
A secret to you: the drugs and libations that the TPTB use, are physically less than the drugs that their "slaves" imbibe.
Meaning, there is less of the actual chemical in the drugs than the "less pure" versions of them on the street. This simple means that the true powers that rule the universe are using these Black Brothers as patsies and puppets, keeping them in some kind of false bliss.
This doesn't even touch the fact that they are all annunaki.
To oblivion to the truly weak who try to yoke us.Thank you for your opinions and useful information, sister.
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Frankie
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I will drink wine very rarely. Something in it gives me a headache. I personally like drinking beer and I like just about all beer from Pabst Blue Ribbon to Guinness. I find that when buzzed on alcohol and pot I am better at doing my art work because I am more relaxed. I drink beer mainly as a beverage and do not abuse it. I find that when I smoke pot I am more creative but I tend to become lazy about doing my more mundane activities such as doing laundry and keeping my house clean.
I haven't done psychedelics in 20 years or cocaine either. I am giving up pot because when I drink alone I wake up the next day refreshed but when I smoke pot and drink I have trouble getting up in the morning. I do almost all of my magickal workings and meditations sober because I do my magick during the day while my kids are in High School. I do magick to strengthen my will and to make my will be done. I am weak willed when it comes to cigarettes and I have to admit I enjoy them immensely and am totally addicted to them. -
Brother, I would give the whole ditching cannabis thing a second round of thoughts:
What happens to people who eat twice as much as they are supposed to during the time they are awake? They weigh almost twice as much as they should, depending on their activities and metabolism.
Crowley goes into detail on how he only uses only a slight, slight bit of hashish to aid in meditation. Went through exactly what you are going through I did, around ten years ago.
Giving it up was horrible, it was like losing a wife or something. Going back to it, in very, very small amounts, the effect is more to stimulate, (with all the added creativity,) and after the most powerful effects are experienced, tired was I not, on "coming down". It was a completely different substance to me after learning to use it in correct moderation, as you seem to have learned to imbibe your hops and barley libation.
Tell you what, I'll make a bet, that if you get a small bag of your regular cannabis, and smoke the amount of half a pencil eraser or smaller, (take one very small hit after just barely touching the bowl with fire, not at all enough to make thee cough,) that ye would enjoy the experience, and look at this most miraculous plant ally in a different light.
Force and Fire
Strength and Sight
These are for the servants of the Star
And of the Snake93
93/93Frank
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@jefffaus said
"I will drink wine very rarely. Something in it gives me a headache. I personally like drinking beer and I like just about all beer from Pabst Blue Ribbon to Guinness. I find that when buzzed on alcohol and pot I am better at doing my art work because I am more relaxed. I drink beer mainly as a beverage and do not abuse it. I find that when I smoke pot I am more creative but I tend to become lazy about doing my more mundane activities such as doing laundry and keeping my house clean.
I haven't done psychedelics in 20 years or cocaine either. I am giving up pot because when I drink alone I wake up the next day refreshed but when I smoke pot and drink I have trouble getting up in the morning. I do almost all of my magical workings and meditations sober because I do my magick during the day while my kids are in High School. I do magick to strengthen my will and to make my will be done. I am weak willed when it comes to cigarettes and I have to admit I enjoy them immensely and am totally addicted to them."Lol then you have never had genesee cream ale.
If you saw where in the river they drew the water from.....down the street from numerous chemical plants...you would know why us locals wont even give it to our enemies...Most street pot now adays is heavily laced with opiates and other crap, it isnt harmless and is very addicting, and I got this info from narcotic investigators, medical doctors, dealers themselves, and my personal expierence after my mom, who only smokes pot, went into severe opiates withdrawl when she was in the hospital for three days.
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I haven't smoked pot in over a week now and giving it up was easy. I only smoked pot with a friend of mine a couple times a week for free. He smokes it dailly and is very lazy. Despite being very handy he had to move from his house because he let it fall completely apart on him and never took the time to repair it.
I got sick of listening to my friend brag about things I know weren't true. He was a legend in his own mind. That was my first reason for giving it up. My nose was running at his house and I asked for a tissue and he bitched about me bumming expensive tissue from him just after he got done bragging he made $7000 in two weeks at his business. -
Veronica, I must counter your argument that "most pot" on the street is laced. If you got your information from the man, then that is why you got that specific information.
Now, if you've got an elderly person, buying herb for medicinal purposes, knowing she has money to spend, you might find some bastard thugs ready to lace it with "something" but it is goddamn near impossible to "lace herb with opiates." You cannot crush up pills and put them in, it would not be smokeable.
It would be near impossible to soak it in heroin, thought it is possible, but not financially possible.
Please, do not take this as any form of negativity, but it sounds like she might have been taking pain pills from some source she did not mention. Many times, doctors will just let patients run out of pills, often the elderly, when they go into the hospital, due to lack of care.
Then the withdrawals start, etc.. this sounds very probable, and I have seen this exact situation numerous times.
Think, heroin is pretty much the ONLY opiate you can lace herb with, you cannot dissolve opium itself in water, and it would be almost impossible to smash it into the herb somehow.
It is also VERY likely that she was smoking soooo much herb for pain/appetite, that the cannabinoid withdrawals were so intense as to cause the sweating, dilated pupils, rapid heart beat, high blood pressure, et cetera. It does happen with high quality herb if one smokes a lot of it.
So, we've come to the only opiate chemically and efficiently able to soak into cannabis being heroin itself, (or some other pure opiate, that being the case only a pharmacist or doctor would have access to.) A gram of heroin on the street is what, $150? And heroin on the street is NOT smoking heroin, it is sniffing/shooting heroin. Yes, this is correct, you must chemically alter it into freebase to efficiently smoke it.
Now say the thugs had this in mind, got the ammonia, heroin, and herb. It would take a sack-full of H to soak an ounce or a few ounces of herb, and it would be so expensive that it's not very likely, for real, your mother would be paying a thousand dollars an ounce.
Not only that, the dose curve of H is soooo minute that all she would have to do is smoke an extra hit or two for a lethal overdose, not likely considering most smokers puff and pull, not paying much attention to how much they get in miligrams.
My sympathies for her and you, gypsy Veronica, but it sounds like the culprit might be different.
Do you know how many times in the past I've been searched by professional "investigators", vehicle, residence, and they look right at my stash and continue looking? Not the kind of people you want to take medical advice from.
Better off asking a real live wookie. However, if this was theoretically all true, marijuana would already be legalized. Remember, most kids smoke pot. When parents drug test them, they aren't finding pot and opiates, just pot. There would be a huge thing in the news and marijuana would probably be legal in every state in the union.
And Jeff, if your friend ate caviar every day while sitting around the house like a bum, because caviar does make one sleepy and lazy, would that completely turn you off to caviar?
The FIRST thing you should do is stop watching TV. The electromagnetic waves have been aligned up specially since the fifties to have people very lazy and buying/doing things that halt civilization. God would say "It's what they want, I really can't do anything even though the annunaki aren't really in charge."
I would say you are part of the electromagnetic shit-box victim group wavering on going one way or the other -- Buying all the negative things that the TV and DARE told you about cannabis, -or- ditching TV, fast food, and online pornography, no joke. All these combine to control society, and in the cracks and crevaces are demons screaming "Don't do the all-natural thing! Don't smoke cannabis, ruin the world and yourselves!"
But, to each his own.
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I wish my dealer would through some extra opium in my herb. In the 80's I used to pay three times the norm to get opium dipped Thai sticks.
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And it was visually obvious I guess, Takamba? The color of opium is uncanny, and can be recognized on herb.
All the opium I ever got was brown, which is why it would be so hard to "lace" something with it.
Plus, opium is a latex, non-water-soluble, so you have to literally have a vat of opium to "dip" it in, or you would have to smash it right into the herb.
Using solvents would render the herb useless, as THC is non-water-soluble like opium is. Maybe you could soak opium in water containing plenty of some kind of acid, but that would make it taste and smoke terrible.
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i am pretty sure I allready shared with the forum back in May what happened with my mom.
But since you missed it, i will just make the points that she had gone in for a simple procedure, and on the third day, instead of being released, she started with severe withdrawl symptoms, symptoms that cause her to rip out and off all her tubes, ect, she went into cardiac arrest and respitary failure and had to be revived and intubated. ( she actually died, more then once actually, and I had to fight for her right to life)
Her toxology report showed extremely high levels of opiates, and her sympto s were classic withdrawl. She does not take pain pills, doesnt drink, or do anything but smoke dope before bed.
When I spoke with the team working on her ( she was in the hospital almost 27 days) they spoke of how common street drugs are not what they used to be, and how nation wide people who think that they are only smoking dope are actually being exposed to many other controlled substances, that the herb is being sprayed or laced with.I was told this by several differnt doctors and nurses in various medical departments, on different occassions. I also did talk to some coppers, who told me the same thing, with out me even bringing it up.
i also over heard some conversations with nefarious souls who admitted to lacing dope with chemicals to make them more addicting.
So, since I didnt go about looking for this information, and that It just sort of came my way, on its own....if you are not growing it yourself, you dont know.
For a woman who smoked a small amount of pot, she should never have gone through those withdrawls, withdrawls I watched over, and were just like the withdrawls my herion addicts had. It wsnt medical pot, it was inner city street pot.
She is not my biological mother, but my best friend and spiritual mother, I am also her health care proxy, and I know her habits in and out, I know her medications, and her vices.....she wasnt smoking just dope like she thought.
Dmsr4 isnow including addiction to marijuana, possibly because now people are showing symptoms of addiction and withdrawl, which they never did before.
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I will mention this:
When something as simple as growing or having something that was here long before man arrived, is prohibited at all, especially to the point of raping a human's rights away from them, that is the pandora's box that starts all this nonsense about national deficit, elections for annunaki, the pharmaceutical industry, and all sorts of other demons that come out of the woodwork stating,
"These poor bastards won't even let themselves grow a few plants that are older than they are! We can pretty much do anything we want!"It's called blocking or prohibiting natural order, and this very phenomenon, implemented in the teens and twenties, is the reason for such downfall of world government since then. Noticed have you, how fake the government has been since then? They took alcohol away from us, then our natural drugs, then gave alcohol back to us, as if captain obvious cannot decipher the reasoning behind it.
Mark my words, this is the reason for lovely Nuit not having complete influential manifestation upon this planet at the current time.
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Fentenyl (sp), looked it up, most likely clandistinely produced, but is the normal opiate that is used to "cut" other opiates, whch makes me think it is used by pieces of excrement to cut things like street herb.
Seedless, high-dollar herb from hippy-types has always been cut-free and good, though.
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Veronica:
It is very unlikely that the pot was laced with an opiate.
Economics is a major factor, opiates are worth much more money.
They might hook the clientele, but unless it is a premium price they loose with each sale.
Even had it been laced, you are not going to get massive amounts of opiates from just a "little bit of dope before bed."The product I receive without a doubt is unadulterated.
If it was, I could tell, I have been communing with it for a long time.
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I might agree with Universe:
The amount of opiates they give to people in hospitals can be of large amount if they are elderly and/or in great pain.
A human whose body is not at all what it used to be, will respond to doses of opiates like morphine, dilaudid, etc, in a very short time by manifesting w/d symptoms. The massive amounts of opiates they found in her system may have been hospital opiates.
Did this simple procedure involve any pain or discomfort? If so, they would have given opiates to an aged woman.
I can honestly say that since around 18 years of age, I have been so attuned to what goes into my body, I can pick up on mineral water vs. distilled water with no problem of discernment, even if the water was used to make sweetened tea.
Of the hundreds and hundreds of times I have (legally, of course) purchased cannabis off of the "street" (from white hippies to brothers selling it to survive,) I have not picked up on formaldehyde, (yeech,) opiates, synthetic cannabinoids, or otherwise.
Maybe where I live, (Virginia, USA - please refrain from virgin jokes until you see me in action
,) it is much, much different. But in my sense awareness and serious opinion, I'd say that les than 99.9% of herb is cut with something. Hash in the UK is a TOTALLY different story. However, if doctors and law officials are concerned that cannabis is regularly cut, I see huge potential for recreational legalization. -
Very sure am I, that people committing adultery use opium sometimes.
And yes, I am familiar with buprenorphine. I used to be not so well-off, and this drug is marketed under the name "Suboxone", manufactured from Thebaine from the poppy, actually by bacteria in some cases.
UNSMOKEABLE
This whole thing reeks of some other source. I can't put my mental feelers on it though.
However, if our Veronica insists that her mother was looked after and that she knows everything that went into her body, then I have no reason to doubt that some kind of opiate was snuck into the herb. All I am saying, is that hardly NO opiates are smokeable except for opium itself, morphine base, and heroin base. You must eat/snort, drink the rest.
It goes against chemistry, is all. Why? Because alkaloids in their freebase, (smokeable, and only smokeable form,) are NOT soluble in water. They are soluble in acetone and alcohol, or glycerine, which could have been used, but ALL OF THESE solvents would remove ALL THE THC! This is how hashish is extracted from bud.
Poppycock I say!
She may have been given opiates in the hospital. And if she was, the entire w/d scene may have not even been a withdrawal scene, but a reaction to something they gave her. Then they would have blood-tested her to find the hospital-prescribed opiates.