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@Bereshith said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Communicating entities - whether Secret Chiefs or HGAs - use whatever means of communicating will get your attention. They're very good at using the mentally deranged.I have some wild stories to tell about this, but they really only tell well in person - inflection and all."
@Jim Eshelman said
"It's a queston of meaning, and nothing has intrinsic meaning. All meaning is imposed on phenomena by our psyches, usually involuntarily. Meaning is always a projection; that is, it tells you more about yourself than the thing you're looking at."
It's interesting to see both of these responses in the same thread.
Usually, one is pitted against the other. In other words, ideas of actual spiritual communication in such events is usually pitted against ideas of meaning projected onto events. Here, you've presented both ideas in response to the same event.
I'm not even sure I have a question about it yet. I just wanted to point it out. Complex possibilities..."
Yes. I was little confused too, but am taking it as they are basically one and the same! That each are true depending on perspective.
Right?
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My experiences in this arena were much more direct and not so subtle, albeit the experience for each individual is unique.
I cannot share these experiences for a variety of reasons. But if I did you would probably be blown away.
But I can confirm that messages have been conducted through random civillian's however, in my experience it's been mostly
women. I believe this to be relevant to the notion of the principle of Nuit, or a feminine "Womb or Vessel" like nature.
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@Pattana Gita said
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@milkBoxx said
"My experiences in this arena were much more direct and not so subtle, albeit the experience for each individual is unique.
I cannot share these experiences for a variety of reasons. But if I did you would probably be blown away.
But I can confirm that messages have been conducted through random civillian's however, in my experience it's been mostly
women. I believe this to be relevant to the notion of the principle of Nuit, or a feminine "Womb or Vessel" like nature.
It's like temporary possession."Oh pleeeeease. That's merely a social construct.
"No, actually I'm being completely honest. It could be different for others, but this is how it's been for me.
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No, I really didn't know what to expect. I think perhaps you have a problem with someone experiencing something
in a way that fails to fit YOUR expectations. I'm not here to take issue, perhaps some people experience it in other ways.
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I objectively recorded my experiences in my journal. Women have been the ones who mostly channel to me.
I never said a man cannot channel, only that these are my experiences. If I develop a hypothesis as to why
this is and decide to share that hypothesis I expect it to be respected as a valid point in relation to my own
unique experience and not those of others. Every path is unique to the individual and I made it clear to you that I have no gender slant. I'm not speaking
universally only to my specific experience. Also, it has nothing to do with what having a womb means! I only said that it seemed relevant.
What is so difficult to understand that each individuals path is unique? I respect if you have seen both. I'm not arguing that. I only see
an individual who is blatantly trying to deform my original statements to reflect a gender bias. I see both men and women as equal and yet they are unique, otherwise Thelema would not be of interest to me for obvious reasons. When you insinuate that I have a gender bias you are merely distorting my original statement
to start an argument for your own ego. I obviously can respect your own experience, I don't understand why you fail to understand mine? I've never
heard of a man being a High Priestess if you want to live in a PC world where that exists by all means do so but don't berate me with eye rolling and cherry picking
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@milkBoxx said
"I objectively recorded my experiences in my journal. Women have been the ones who mostly channel to me.
I never said a man cannot channel, only that these are my experiences. If I develop a hypothesis as to why
this is and decide to share that hypothesis I expect it to be respected as a valid point in relation to my own
unique experience and not those of others. Every path is unique to the individual and I made it clear to you that I have no gender slant. I'm not speaking
universally only to my specific experience. Also, it has nothing to do with what having a womb means! I only said that it seemed relevant.
What is so difficult to understand that each individuals path is unique? I respect if you have seen both. I'm not arguing that. I only see
an individual who is blatantly trying to deform my original statements to reflect a gender bias. I see both men and women as equal and yet they are unique, otherwise Thelema would not be of interest to me for obvious reasons. When you insinuate that I have a gender bias you are merely distorting my original statement
to start an argument for your own ego. I obviously can respect your own experience, I don't understand why you fail to understand mine? I've never
heard of a man being a High Priestess if you want to live in a PC world where that exists by all means do so but don't berate me with eye rolling and cherry picking
parts of my statement to turn this into a sexist issue."93 Milkbox,
I for one Milkbox understood perfectly what you were trying to say. If I'm correct, you were simply describing these women in your life that were symbolic reflections of the feminine principle. Yin and Yang isn't sexist etc., its active/projecting, and passive/receiving. Binah as Nuit the receptive feminine principle, that gives form. So, in your experiences these women were the vehicles of a message.
Thanks for sharing, I wish I could hear more details but I understand. Sorry if your sharing led to any misunderstanding etc. Certain subjects do seem to press buttons for people. I appreciate your input!
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@Pattana Gita said
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@milkBoxx said
"Just correcting your arrogant and dismissive assumption. I don't expect anyone else cares."You project your own arrogance on to other people a lot. Quite frankly, It bores me."
93 Dara,
I think your over reacting, and being a little snotty. Why do we have to jump on people? Its obvious Milkbox wasn't being "sexist" or biased. Come on.
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@J L Romer said
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@Pattana Gita said
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@milkBoxx said
"Just correcting your arrogant and dismissive assumption. I don't expect anyone else cares."You project your own arrogance on to other people a lot. Quite frankly, It bores me."
93 Dara,
I think your over reacting, and being a little snotty. Why do we have to jump on people? Its obvious Milkbox wasn't being "sexist" or biased. Come on.
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J"Thank you!
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@J L Romer said
"93 Milkbox,
I for one Milkbox understood perfectly what you were trying to say. If I'm correct, you were simply describing these women in your life that were symbolic reflections of the feminine principle. Yin and Yang isn't sexist etc., its active/projecting, and passive/receiving. Binah as Nuit the receptive feminine principle, that gives form. So, in your experiences these women were the vehicles of a message.
Thanks for sharing, I wish I could hear more details but I understand. Sorry if your sharing led to any misunderstanding etc. Certain subjects do seem to press buttons for people. I appreciate your input!
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J"Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you! =D
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@Pattana Gita said
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@milkBoxx said
"Just correcting your arrogant and dismissive assumption. I don't expect anyone else cares."You project your own arrogance on to other people a lot. Quite frankly, It bores me."
I think you are demonstrating that you are the one with arrogance. I never wish to impede or be rude on this forum
to anyone. I respect everyone's opinion, even yours. We can all learn from each other, that's why we are here right?
So instead of resorting to childish behavior, let's all retain some humility instead of transforming a simple view that someone
may have based upon their own experience into some kind of pissing contest. If that's how you want to be, you will find that
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To my surprise, I agree with everyone and disagree with everybody.
That is: I totally get that you weren't trying to be mean or bigoted, and were just trying to express what you've observed.
At the same time, what you wrote WAS sexist, and it seems pretty likely that this is because you have sexist filters over your perceptions.
Intending objective, fair, and unprejudiced communication is a superb first step en route to actually shaking prejudiced points of view - especiallyy because it invites other people to give you feedback about how your're coming across.
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I'm sorry Jim, I don't believe my post was sexist at all. I only stated what I have witnessed first hand
and made it clear that my experience is unique just like everyone else has a unique path. If tomorrow
a man walked up to me and channeled to me, I would log it into my journal and share it with the board
just like I shared this. Now, if I draw a hypothesis based upon my experiences I don't see it as sexist
simply stating the facts as they happened to be. If I had said anything that it was both sexes in my own
experience I would be lying. I see men and women as equal in most aspects, but I'm not gonna sit here
and lie for the sake of being politically correct. Yes, women channel to me more so than men. I ventured to guess
that this may have a relationship to the feminine principle. I'm sorry, I don't see anything sexist at all.
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I get it.
You don't see anything diminutive about a difference you hypothesize might be based in gender.
But see.. there's all this background baggage of shit that people have said in the past about women basically being spiritually passive (understood negatively) and weaker and therefore more able to channel. And you like.. just ran through all those trip-wires blind.
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@kasper81 said
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@milkBoxx said
"What is so difficult to understand that each individuals path is unique? I respect if you have seen both. I'm not arguing that. I only see
an individual who is blatantly trying to deform my original statements to reflect a gender bias."the way you wrote it as follows
- I believe this to be relevant to the notion of the principle of Nuit, or a feminine "Womb or Vessel" like nature.
It's like temporary possession*
it seemed to me to be your way of making a philosophically validating objective universal observation. It's like a slightly more sophisticated way of saying, "all women are air heads who have all kinds of entities passing through them and that's all they're good for".
""all women are air heads who have all kinds of entities passing through them and that's all they're good for"
This is a sexist statement. But we were discussing a particular subject and I was only speaking upon my experience, perhaps it's because
I mostly have women around me. But to accuse me of saying that I find extremely offensive. "All they're good for"? Where exactly did that come from?
We were not discussing the subject of women as a role in the great work as a whole, only a specific subset of experiences that have happened to
other individuals in regards to situations where someone may randomly walk up to you and say something that is almost synchronistic.
I find women to have an uncanny ability that isn't just about transmitting messages for others, but to receive knowledge in a more
direct and lucid way. Men and Women are equal and yet each embodies different principles and the truth is that we both NEED each other. When i said
it's like temporary posession, I meant that when this occurs sometimes it almost seems that way (Rose Edith Crowley). If you read into what I'm saying and
all you can see is "all women are air heads who have all kinds of entities passing through them and that's all they're good for" this speaks loads about you and not me. I don't look at women that way, I find that offensive. - I believe this to be relevant to the notion of the principle of Nuit, or a feminine "Womb or Vessel" like nature.
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"I don't look at women that way, I find that offensive."
I concur.
What's more interesting to me, though, is the idea that you seem to hypothesize that it's actually channelling - "like a temporary possession."
I can relate to that kind of experience, but I don't personally think the people who are involved in these kinds of "messages" are going passive in any way that could be related to what's normally referred to as channelling. Their own egos and personalities remain, do they not? And they don't "lose time" or say things that they don't remember later, do they?
I just wanted to ask about that for a second. Not to diminish the "message" aspect, but to suggest the possibility that such occurrences are even more miraculous than you may currently imagine...
