Tropical vs sidereal
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@Coagvla said
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This is probably a little off topic, but while we're talking about Treasure House, any thoughts about the beginning and ending being under the sign of the Moon, with the Sun and Star after the signs. Again some obvious symbols but also a lot of subtleties, would like to hear others meditations and insights (particularly yours Danica if you have a mind to)."I'm not sure what do you mean by "beginning and ending being under the sign of the Moon, with the Sun and Star after the signs" - would you explain?
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@Coagvla said
"Also, I have always been a 'Scorpio rising' and this has been something I took a lot from and really identified with. Now, I'm a Cancer rising with Venus in Scorpio."
There is a calculation error somewhere. The above isn't possible. If you have Tropical Scorpio rising, then you either have Sidereal Libra or Scorpio rising. (Or, you made the mistake before and actually had Tropical Leo rising.)
"I am a bit lost as to the correspondences associated with 'Cancer rising'."
From the character-related statistical studies I've seen, and personal observation, the Ascendant is so weak a factor as barely to deserve any attention. It's the outermost facade - not much more than "the clothes you put on for the occassion." How others see or label you in the most thoughtless, first impression way - at most.
Still, some statistically significant findings arose in the Gauquelin chart / character trait collection, and here is a link that summarizes it: olunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=186&p=1068#p1059
I really wouldn't put much attention on it. Focus on the Sun and Moon signs and, to a lesser extent, Mars.
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@Patrick Ossoski said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"the Tropical has no validity of any kind."Does this mean Thelemic dating as normally used is wrong?"
It's not "wrong." It's a way to record information. It's just not astrologically relevant.
I never use luminary sign positions when dating, in any case. I use the actual calendar. "2013 January 27, 11:12 AM" is far more useful to me in a diary entry than "Anno IV{20} Sun 8° AQU,Moon 15° LEO." (Or, for that matter, "Sun 13° CAP, Moon 20° CAN." They're equally useless when you are going back 10 years later to review your diary.)
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You're right about the wrong rising sign Jim I'm pretty sure it's still Scorpio, not sure how I stuffed that up so much And no wonder it was so 'mysterious' haha
And Danica, I mean the symbols next to the first and last 3 chapters of the Treasure House
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Patrick Ossoski said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"the Tropical has no validity of any kind."Does this mean Thelemic dating as normally used is wrong?"
It's not "wrong." It's a way to record information. It's just not astrologically relevant.
I never use luminary sign positions when dating, in any case. I use the actual calendar. "2013 January 27, 11:12 AM" is far more useful to me in a diary entry than "Anno IV{20} Sun 8° AQU,Moon 15° LEO." (Or, for that matter, "Sun 13° CAP, Moon 20° CAN." They're equally useless when you are going back 10 years later to review your diary.)"
Yeah, that's the kind of wrong I had in mind. Astrological relevance is a good thing.
I too use normal calendar dates in diaries, since the point is to be practical and in most cases sign positions wouldn't tell me much. However, I do use Anno IVxx &c. in specific contexts because, well, I think it's beautiful, and it's nice to acknowledge the Thelemic period when something is published. Oh well.
The fact that a whole system that's being used for so much time is just plain wrong does open up a can of worms. Then again, many worms are edible and help survivors. At least I got to keep my Sun in Aquarius.
Edit: I am m-i-nd-b-l-o-w-n by the accuracy of sidereal astrology. Glad to know about it sooner than later.
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Sidereal was in use for thousands of years before the idea of a Tropical zodiac ever occurred to anyone. Apply your logic to that
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@Patthana Gati said
"You should be glad then that you don't have a constellation shaped like a giant penis in the sky any more."
LOL why? It seems to me that both people who have one of those, and people who want one of those (take your pick) would find that quite charming.
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"You should be glad then that you don't have a constellation shaped like a giant penis in the sky any more.
"That made me chuckle.
I'd rather be a penis than a bull to be fair, I'd find having a giant penis in the sky related to me quite nice, rather than a stick figure doing a high kick which is what taurus looks like.I've always wanted to use this emoticon so I am gonna go ahead and do it
93's.
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@mark0987 said
"I'd rather be a penis than a bull to be fair"
The ancient words for "bull" and "penis" were the same word. The oldest astrological symbol for Taurus was a cock and balls.
Since "bull" means the adult male of many mammalian species, and specifies that it be sexually intact and reproductively capable, the above isn't really a surprise, yeah?
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93,
"The ancient words for "bull" and "penis" were the same word. The oldest astrological symbol for Taurus was a cock and balls.
Since "bull" means the adult male of many mammalian species, and specifies that it be sexually intact and reproductively capable, the above isn't really a surprise, yeah?"
Never knew that......so no matter what I was born a penis regardless of tropical or sidereal. It was just meant to be.
93's.
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Try not to let your head get too swollen over it... That would be folly.
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They must call it ov-Arian for a reason...
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@Patthana Gati said
"It's that time of the month and I'm not saying more. Men have taught me that limited disclosure is the way to go... even when my genitals are a nightmare on Elm street, tomato sauce extravaganza....
So how did I do?"
Chili Sauce!
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@ Danica: once again nature proves the validity of Occult Symbols.
@ the rest of you: ?
To bring this back the original topic: I've found that a woman's menstrual cycle, when mapped by Astrological means, varies in strength and disposition according the sign of the Moon. My researches, of course, have been conducted on Sidereal lines.
Another fun fact: I have now experienced, at least twice, the joy of explaining the tenets of Sidereal Astrology (or reality, as some call it) to individuals who sported tattoos of Tropical extraction. Upon further reflection, this has happened not less than three times. I find the imminent consternation of the subject amusing as hell.
