Manifestation forms of HGA
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@Patrick Ossoski said
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Not necessary to think Mohammed's Gabriel is the "objective" Gabriel, if there's even such a being as an objective Gabriel. Likely it's a tool of manifestation for the HGA, much like something that could happen with an Enochian angel or other entities, which are and at the same time are not "The" HGA."If so, if for instance as a zelator i think my HGA is Hagiel, can it be true, or does it mean necessarly that it just assumed a "hagiel form" because it was the most convinient thing at this point of the path, and that it will surely change form when i reach adepthood?"
The second possibility, I'd say. Not sure about the "it will surely change form" part though."
"Are and at the same time are not". I think it answers well ! Thanks man.
As for Hagiel, if "it is Hagiel and is not Hagiel at the same time", i see no reason it would need to change form(percieved identity). Only degree of disclosure.
ps: mine is not Hagiel, but has similar popularity(maybe a little less, as i didnt know the name before contact)... i've been in contact for more than a year now, and it feels more and more sure. It's mostly the relative popularity of it that has kept me very careful about drawing any conclusion. But it feels more and more sure... I'm very happy about it but at the same time afraid it could be a delusion.
Is there a grade where you're supposed to be almost sure of who it is before tiphareth? At practicus? Good zelator? What is the degree of certitude and experience expected concerning the "vision of adonai" in malkuth?
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@Horus Amin said
"As for Hagiel, if "it is Hagiel and is not Hagiel at the same time", i see no reason it would need to change form(percieved identity). Only degree of disclosure."
I equal "perceived identity" with "degree of disclosure", because the Angel is ever the same.
"Is there a grade where you're supposed to be almost sure of who it is before tiphareth? At practicus? Good zelator? What is the degree of certitude and experience expected concerning the "vision of adonai" in malkuth?"
I'll give it a shot and say Zelator (because it's directly below Tifereth) or equivalent, but it's complicated.
As for the Vision of Adonai, I'm not sure I can say anything helpful. The answer I'd give would most likely be food for delusion (for you and me both).
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@Horus Amin said
"Are there rules on how different the form can appear from malkuth to geburah?"
No. Rules have nothing to do with it. (And I don't agree with your characterization of Geburah.
Bottom line: The Angel can assume any form necessary, within or without you, to serve you in the moment. It changes as needed by you. (FWIW I'll be publishing my 5=6 diary in the near future, Don't know if that has any interest for you.)
"Also, are there rules concerning the final form it assumes(before union)?"
Nope. No rules.
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I was pretty certain that I knew the Name of A.'. during the last few months of 1=10, and yet now I know longer feel happy using that name, like I grew out of it. It was a useful 'manifestation' of the idea, but no more than the image of an image.
These days I'm less concerned with finding out what to call A.'. (So I just call it that, when I call it anything) and more interested in just doing the work.So yes in a nutshell, it changes over time, at least for me it has. I guess the relationship just gets more intimate after the vision and names/forms have become a little irrelevant, whereas action is everything.
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@kasper81 said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"[(FWIW I'll be publishing my 5=6 diary in the near future, Don't know if that has any interest for you.)"it depends if it's full of idiosyncratic coded, shorthand words"
I think editing has taken care of all of that
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@kasper81 said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"[(FWIW I'll be publishing my 5=6 diary in the near future, Don't know if that has any interest for you.)"it depends if it's full of idiosyncratic coded, shorthand words"
I think editing has taken care of all of that
"Is it going to be about heroine and cocaine addiction and how many days you suffered from diarrhea? If not, there might not be as much interest in it.
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No, sorry, that happened a few years later when a doctor kept me on opiate a couple of months longer than he should have. (Very interesting experience, though: The absence of any psychological addiction made it interesting, though disgusting, to watch what the body was doing.)