Apo pantos kakodemonos !
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
Yes, great banishing in my opinion. Its simpleness make it easy to focus great force and to repeat it until mastery. It's better to do one technique 1000 times than 1000 techniques once for effectiveness.
What do you mean LBRP being more specific? You mean because of the elements and stuff? Like you could say LBRH is also specific(planets)... or is it something else?
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
A wee note on the timing, etc., the way I was taught the action is that you *beat *your breast first then swing the hand down and out. If you do it that way (starting the phrase *immediately *after the breast-beat), somehow you get a good, satisfying rhythm to it; so it's like thump "Apo PANTOS (with swing out and down) Kakodaimonos!"
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
As i'm not English the whole Crowley writings are in holy langage !
Seriously we get familiar with latin, hebrew, greek, rather fast. Even arabic. Now you mention it i notice they dont have the "weird" effect they initially had. It may be time for enochean.
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
@kasper81 said
"
also I doubt this has the same efficacy for Greek people as it does for English speakers
hah"
I don´t think so. I am not an english speaker, I remembered some rituals in my language, like LBRP, because I thought I can express myself better if I´m totaly concient of what I say, but all the practice written by Crowley I perform it in English (or the language it was written). I think some sentences and words have a different "shine" in the different languages, and even if you cannot pronounce the greek words like a greek guy, these words give a special focus of this ritual. The other thing is that for greek people every word of Star Ruby has his meaning in the real life, they assosiate every word with something else, and for you these words are unique and have the proper meaning of the ritual is for, that is better for you and all non-greek speakers!
I really like to perform Star Ruby, I feel that is very diferent to LBRP, for me the N.O.X. signs makes that big difference.
And for the guardians that Star Ruby invokes I think this analysis is very good - lionserpent.com/xxvanalysis.html
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
@Arlina said
"
I really like to perform Star Ruby, I feel that is very diferent to LBRP, for me the N.O.X. signs makes that big difference.
"
Yeah NOX are very different so are the cross and the four quarters, and the technique of projection, all make a big difference in my opinion. Ever tried the star ruby using the LUX instead of NOX? Nice one too !
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
"I've said this before but people like the Star Ruby better because you are drawing more oxygen into yourself"
93,
I think there is more to it than that, I breathe fully in before each vibration in the LBRP, I couldn't get any more oxygen in if I tried. I believe the differences in the tones of voice; say,roar,bellow and whisper just adds a little quality to it, it raises energy. I enjoy it, there is some sort of psychological satisfaction in these changes in tone, I can't explain it......just that there is a 'feeling' I love. Also projecting the pentagrams, there is just more force and more power than the LBRP.
Saying this they both have their uses. Personally I use the lBRP daily, it leaves me in a calm state in which I can function in day to day life. The star ruby leaves me in a sort of energised and more of a 'high' state which would not allow me to function for a little while, say half an hour, in the 'real world'.
They are both banishing rituals which leave different effects and feel different when performing.......of course others may not have this experience.
93, 93/93.
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
@mark0987 said
"
"I've said this before but people like the Star Ruby better because you are drawing more oxygen into yourself"93,
I think there is more to it than that, I breathe fully in before each vibration in the LBRP, I couldn't get any more oxygen in if I tried. I believe the differences in the tones of voice; say,roar,bellow and whisper just adds a little quality to it, it raises energy. I enjoy it, there is some sort of psychological satisfaction in these changes in tone, I can't explain it......just that there is a 'feeling' I love. Also projecting the pentagrams, there is just more force and more power than the LBRP.
Saying this they both have their uses. Personally I use the lBRP daily, it leaves me in a calm state in which I can function in day to day life. The star ruby leaves me in a sort of energised and more of a 'high' state which would not allow me to function for a little while, say half an hour, in the 'real world'.
They are both banishing rituals which leave different effects and feel different when performing.......of course others may not have this experience.
93, 93/93."
Haha funny you interpret what Kasper said this way. "more oxygen"... Why not ! When i read this i thought "more oxygen" because of the NOX instead of the LUX... nice to do rythmic breathing with LUX and NOX mantras by the way.
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
@mark0987 said
"
Saying this they both have their uses. Personally I use the lBRP daily, it leaves me in a calm state in which I can function in day to day life. The star ruby leaves me in a sort of energised and more of a 'high' state which would not allow me to function for a little while, say half an hour, in the 'real world'."
I feel the same. Now I perform Star Ruby much more than LBRP, I don´t know, probably it will be only for a while, because I need to ground myself every time I perform it...
Months before I saw this comment for Star Ruby somewhere and I saved it :
¨The star ruby is an entirely sexual ritual, designed to turn on the Neurosomatic mental circuit to cancel out the restless bio-survival, emotional-territorial, Neurosemantic-Dexterity, and sociosexual circuits (Represented by the upright pentagram, as the reversed represents being controlled by the bio-survival circuit) and is thus written in allegory. Correct performance causes a stoppage of the other unconscious circuits leaving a peace so profound (for a time) that any action is difficult.¨
What do you think of this explicacion? I am still a bit confused about of it.
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
I think that opinion is nuts.
If anything, the bioenergetics of the Star Ruby - physical action and its interaction with physical and metaphysical energies, plus the impact on the autonomic nervous system - seem to me to create neurological conditions that are at odds with the smoothest, easiest sexual expression.
The actions are more aggressive and the whole tone seems much more one of physical defense against threat. In some ways the Star Ruby seems more powerful against threat, but it seems to me to maintain a vigilant sense of pending (or potential) threat (whereas the LRP is relaxed, peaceful, balance). The activation of a "threat circuit" triggers autonomic (sympathetic/parasympathetic) responses that direct energies away from sexual responses. ("Fight or flight" is really, neurologically, "The 3 Fs," Fight or Flight or Fuck. Threat suppresses the circuitry of the third one for the other two.)
I don't know where that quote came from. If I had to guess, I'd say someone get overly impressed with the sexual implications of the NOX signs, and went kinda overboard in that direction.)
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
It´s maybe my fault, but here - ¨designed to turn on the Neurosomatic mental circuit to cancel out the restless bio-survival, emotional-territorial, Neurosemantic-Dexterity, and sociosexual circuits (Represented by the upright pentagram, as the reversed represents being controlled by the bio-survival circuit) and is thus written in allegory.¨ - I think that he/she sais that the ritual cancels out for a while that ¨bio-survival, [...] and sociosexual circuits¨, so I think he/she sais that Star Ruby is a sexual ritual only because it works to these energies in the body, but canceling them, not exalting them.
But in the end this comment doesn´t matter that much! I don´t even know where I found it!
-
How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also.
From what i understand in greek there is no object. When you say "kakodemonos" it can be told to anyone, anything, and to oneself. So there is no duality.
I tend to time it like this:
."apo"hand up
."pantos" while driving the hand down
."kakodemonos" while holding the hand in the final position and vibrating the whole body, in a similar way it can happen in yogaI've tried a vrariation where i say the whole at once while holding the hand up and THEN i drive it down. Interesting how it feels doing so...
@Frater Horus said
"How would you describe the effects you experience with this magick technique by itself, compared for instance with a classic LBRP? Or with Harpocrates sign?
How powerful can it be by itself in your opinion?
What is your focus when you perform it?
How do you understand its meaning?
How do you time exactly the phrasing with the hand movement? How do you feel the variation can impact the effect? Variations of vibration also."
Getting back to OP... I find the three words to be a quite effective, high-energy banishing, but for a very limited duration. My focus when casting this spell is on the deep Silence of Nothing, as best I'm able. That's probably a lot of the magick right there.
I've never concentrated overmuch on the exact correspondence between words and motions here -- once I've found the Silence I'm looking for the rest handles itself. I've never heard these words vibrated. Vibrating tends to be used for Divine Names.
In L.V.X.
