LBRP southern hemisphere
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93sSome years back the Auckland OTO wrote a book on the matter. Ever since I have been doing my LBR counter clockwise.
The god names are in the same order. Fire in the north because the sun is fire.This does not effect the Thelemic temple as they are universal energies in contrast to planatary.
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93s@Jim Eshelman said
"One consequence of the above BTW - and the easiest to solve (and the first that I tackled, standing under the naked stars out on a hilltop in the mountains west of Sydney_ is that the Star Ruby goes clockwise (i.e., against the current of the Sun)."
Does the sequence of the names change?
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93sNo.
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93s@Jim Eshelman said
"I like cake and ice cream."
Does this mean that if one was on the equator, one should do one version of the ritual in the morning, then change direction when it is performed again in the evening?
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93s@ThelemicMage said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I like cake and ice cream."Does this mean that if one was on the equator, one should do one version of the ritual in the morning, then change direction when it is performed again in the evening?"
No; but if one is anywhere between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer, one would perhaps do it differently at different times of the year, depending on the declination of the Sun.
For example, if one were in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 3N10, the Sun at noon is north of you at noon and south of you at midnight (declination greater than 3N10) from late March to mid-September. The rest of the year, it is south of you at noon and north of you at midnight.
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93s@Jim Eshelman said
"No."
So to clarify, are you suggesting that if you do the Star Ruby in the southern hemisphere, you should start in the East with "Therion", then move south with "Hadit"?
If you were doing the hebrew LBRP, you would start in the east with IHVH, then go north with "AGLA"?
And with the Greater Pentagram Ritual? Would the active/passive pentagrams of spirit or the opening/closing portal signs remain unchanged as well, in your opinion? So you would begin in the east with the portal opening and end in the south with the portal opening?
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93sI've been careful not to pin anything down too much, but leg me throw a couple of things back.
Why in the world go to the SOUTH with Hadit when that is not the direction of the blazing noon time Sun to which the Ad/At &c. god names refer? Would not one go to the south with Nuit?
And on the LRP, I've said many times that what matters is the SEQUENCE of the names, not their positions. Whatever else you do, those Names need to remain in the sequence YHVH, ADNI, AHYH, A.G.L.A.
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93sI see. So the direction and the name positions are both changed.
That's a simple enough answer for the banishings; what happens in the greater pentagram rituals? Where would the Invoking fire pentagram go? In which two directions would the active spirit pentagrams be performed?
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93!
A friend of mine that lives in Argentina asked me a question that has gotten me thinking. When in the south hemisphere should one change the clockwise sequence of east-south-west-north for a counterclockwise? This is since south is the highest place for the sun and therefore attributed to fire, but in the southern hemisphere, the highest point for the sun should be north, therefore changing the elemental attributions.
I told him that I would change them to follow the path of the sun on the southern hemisphere, but it would then change the archangelic placements. Also, if one follows this logic, the lesser ritual of the hexagram is also affected to name a few rituals that follow the path of the sun.
Thoughts?
93sThis is a complex question, Swamiji.
The supreme, or "greater" pentagram ritual may be performed many ways, depending on what you wish to do.
Jim and I had a rather thorough and interesting conversation on the pentagram here: heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10053&p=64986&hilit=pentagram+supreme#container
I believe you would take what Jim stated on that thread, and try to incorporate the rules he states here.
Of course it would still start with Air in the East. However one might go counterclockwise in the Southern Hemisphere.