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ABRAHADABRA & ABRASAX (Relationship)

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    milkBoxx
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    Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
    grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
    but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
    elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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      Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
      grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
      but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
      elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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      Jim Eshelman
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      Historically, there probably was a connection between Abracadabra and Abrasax (or, rather Abraxas - the X, taken as a Chi, could have easily been mis-written as Abracas.)

      This likely has no historically relation to Crowley's new formula, Abrahadabra, though.

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        Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
        grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
        but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
        elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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        milkBoxx
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        @Jim Eshelman said

        "Historically, there probably was a connection between Abracadabra and Abrasax (or, rather Abraxas - the X, taken as a Chi, could have easily been mis-written as Abracas.)

        This likely has no historically relation to Crowley's new formula, Abrahadabra, though."

        Just to play devil's advocate, what exactly is it's context in the Gnostic Mass if this is true?
        Just wondering, I can grasp that it can still be unrelated but I can't help but wonder.

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          Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
          grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
          but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
          elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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          Jim Eshelman
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          @milkBoxx said

          "Just to play devil's advocate, what exactly is it's context in the Gnostic Mass if this is true?
          Just wondering, I can grasp that it can still be unrelated but I can't help but wonder."

          Solar cock. Sun god, whose name (by Greek gematria) reflected the solar cycle of 365 days.

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            Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
            grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
            but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
            elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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            milkBoxx
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            @Jim Eshelman said

            "
            @milkBoxx said
            "Just to play devil's advocate, what exactly is it's context in the Gnostic Mass if this is true?
            Just wondering, I can grasp that it can still be unrelated but I can't help but wonder."

            Solar cock. Sun god, whose name (by Greek gematria) reflected the solar cycle of 365 days."

            Thanks! 😀

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              Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
              grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
              but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
              elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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              milkBoxx
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              Eeek, I meant Vav and Peh, not Vav and Nun. And yes I have read S. Yetzirah several times and ironically
              may have initially confused the Nun with Vav for some reason (I'm out of it today). Just curious if Crowley and
              the A.'.A.'. have another context other than what this has to offer.

              Sorry about that,

              Ian

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                Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
                grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
                but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
                elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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                Jim Eshelman
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                @milkBoxx said

                "Eeek, I meant Vav and Peh, not Vav and Nun. And yes I have read S. Yetzirah several times and ironically may have initially confused the Nun with Vav for some reason (I'm out of it today). Just curious if Crowley and the A.'.A.'. have another context other than what this has to offer."

                No. (Or: Still haven't a clue what you're looking for. The question is insufficiently specific.)

                PS - This is for the other thread, right? The Vav-Nun thread? Not this one?

                Peh's main relationship to Vav is that Mars is in its detriment in Taurus, i.e., Taurus is one of the three least-Mars signs in the zodiac.

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                  Currently, I've been delving into writings that are touching upon the Coptic
                  grimoire tradition as well as the gnostic teachings of Abrasax. I can't help
                  but feel that there is a connection between these two words. Anyone care to
                  elaborate? Is this arbitrary? Or is there a correlation?

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                  milkBoxx
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                  I apologize, yes it was for the Vav-Nun question.
                  Sorry, I'm just out of sorts today.

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