How much do adepts tend to sleep?
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The need to go unconscious to access subconsciousness becomes much less when one lives in more conscious ready access to subconscious.
Also, many of the practices and explorations move intentionally into the same realms without the need to be asleep. One becomes progressively more of an aware participant in the various layers of one's psyche.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"One becomes progressively more of an aware participant in the various layers of one's psyche."
So maybe at high level even the practice of magick can "refresh" one almost as much as deep meditation and impact sleep to a similar extent? As magick and yoga tend to merge...
And what about no needing to meditate at all? Or almost not at all? Does it take crossing the abyss or many adepts can do it? Wasnt it Karl Germer who said he never meditated or something? I heard also a lady in real life saying she's in constant meditation state and she had several siddhis. She attained adepthood doing "nothing", just living normaly(she says) though her state changed naturally and siddhis appeared. If it was that easy for everyone
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@Frater Horus said
"And what about no needing to meditate at all? Or almost not at all?"
Similar to what I wrote above. There comes a point when much of every day - much of your waking life - is meditation. Without stopping to meditate.
"Wasnt it Karl Germer who said he never meditated or something?"
He said he couldn't meditate.
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It is very interesting to note that those who partake of cannabis daily tend not to dream much. This makes sense to a point: that cannabis use causes a drop in waking serotonin production, however melatonin and dmt are the basis for dreaming.
As a matter of fact, I believe serotonin plays a major role in dream recollection.
Also interesting to note is the action of salvinorin upon the brain centers, especially memory. Many users of salvia have had the conscious idea that the sacrament, (salvinorin,) turns into the chemical responsible for memory. I believe this is why most have experiences of re-living childhood, elves and all. (This goes into the connection of childhood and elemental creatures.) Most waking adults do not recall elves when reminiscing, though the words of a child explain quite the opposite.
In my experience, the elementals express themselves in many ways. And most of these ways tend to be leftover illuminating experiences from childhood attempting to manifest themselves in the present.
I cannot recall a dream where the elementals do not play some role.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"Wasnt it Karl Germer who said he never meditated or something?"He said he couldn't meditate."
I remember reading it exactly as you say in your "the mystical..." book, though i dont remember any explanation. Could you share more concerning this? Why would he phrase it like this, "couldnt", as he attained anyway and thus probably meditated 24/24...? Why not just saying he didnt learn meditation sitting in asana for hours like most people do?
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Thanks for your input Thelemic Mage...
I've had some hardcore mushrooms for months yet i'm so naturally high currently i cannot eat them.
It feels i must first get comfortable with this new state of consciousness. I even had to quit smoking... The stuff looks at me and say"smoke me, smoke me" yet i can at max once a week... i do like four hits (six was too much last time i tried) and i litteraly fly for a day(whereas i was a daily smoker for years). So currently i just smoke like three cigarettes a day with a coffee and they feel like the real stuff mixed with C ... Even food gets me high, vegetables especially.
And doing sports, i train twice a day and it gets me high for hours. It feels like i'm on lsd. I look at my hands and i'm surprised by the color, shape, ondulations... I feel my organs internaly vibrating. My breathing going through all body. Typing this i see the trees and the sky by the window and its very trippy, its all brilliant and so alive... I had a walk by the beach this morning and was merging with the wind and sunlight. Sleep quality is increasing too. Four hours last night ! First time that little is enough. Such are some gifts of Nuit on the physical plane. Even simple fresh air smells so good.Now i'll do a cucumber. Cheers
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Nuit's blessings are plentiful indeed.
Good to hear you're doing well, Frater.
This reminds me of how much I need to get back into meditation again. I was hit by a car last year, but I have been able to master my dragon asana again.
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That's not what I said.
Yes, the HGA can use dreams as one way of communicating: Once there are pathways for an individual to listen to subconsciousness, the Angel will reflect superconscious content into subconsciousness for the Ruach to witness it. But that' only one means.
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Jim, what do you think this means for true shamans that "dream awake" and deal with elementals during their work?
Do you believe in any way this might be active dream-state interaction with the Angel?
Many Americans go to South America each year and many are cured of cancer and with the ones that are actually cured, the cancer does not return if they follow the shaman's instructions.
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@ThelemicMage said
"Jim, what do you think this means for true shamans that "dream awake" and deal with elementals during their work?"
(Setting aside temporarily the question of authenticating "true shamans" ...)
It just sounds like routine "astral travel" (so-called). There's substantially no difference between this and sleep, except for the important distinction that the Ruach is comparably engaged in conscious, intentional astral work.
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I suppose I was referring to the more successful shamans. But this does make a lot of sense.
Thanks, Jim.
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I can relate to your experience, Frater Horus.
However I must elaborate on something that struck my mind when you mentioned a previous time when you experienced what you interpreted as "being on LSD" 24/24. I suppose some of your avenues folded back properly so you could sleep right and everything again.
Then, I assume you continued astral work in the form of Thelemic study and practice, which lead to you discovering how to open energy pathways through symbol and consecration.
Years ago, I went through maybe a hundred hits in two weeks, of Lysergic acid diethylamide. This went on for months and months, and I only ate paper twice a week, both weekend nights, doubling the dose on the second night. This gave me a full week to lose tolerance, so I didn't make this horrible mistake of "psychedelic diddling", where one eats one hit one day and one or two the next and whatnot. Then they register in their minds "wow, I ate like a thousand hits this summer", when their actual psychic weight tells otherwise. Serotogenic psychedelics other than dmt have instant tolerance, so you can only trip "successfully" maybe two nights a week.
So, I guess eating ten hits without tolerance, repetedly, (500-1000ug), might sustain one with what a human being might call "tripping 24/7". The Psychedelic Experience recommends dosing 250ug, then another 250 when one is a little used to the higher energy an hour or so later, for one's first time.
Quality of LSD is another huge contribution to experience and evolution of a being/race. One should, ideally, be able to learn to sleep much better after having an intense experience, rather than complain of sleeplessness and stress. Though this could be caused by lack of one's "letting go", during an experience, which can "knot up" chi through nadis and chakras. For instance, if one has a huge dose of L their first time, in a stressful situation around people, ending up hunched over in a corner with their muscles all tense in weird ways, one might have to re-dose later, to get back what one calls their normalcy.
In contrast, one can have many positive high-dose LSD or Psilocybin experiences, and end up having one that knots them up. Then they swear off psychedelics thinking it was the drug's fault, keeping their knots unknowingly inside that could easily be de-knotted with a moderate to high dose with proper set and setting.
In the 1950s and early 60's, many schizophrenics, including those so strickened that they could not care for themselves or get out of bed, were cured by starting with low doses of Lysergide, waiting sufficient time, then dosing higher each time, until all the knots were unknotted enough and all the caves were clear of wreckage. "Who is to roll away the stone?"
Anyway, I am what one Frater Horus might term as "tripping 24/7", however I still partake of psychedelics on a regular basis, but I do not need the higher doses I needed years ago to reach the same depths and heights.