Veils Of Naught not listed in Sepher Sephiroth?
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93,
I was looking up the gematria enumerations for the Veils Of Naught in Sepher Sephiroth, and surprisingly found nothing for 711(Ayin), 1577(Ayin Soph), 1784 (Ayin Soph Aur).
Any thoughts why no correspondences are listed?
One explanation that offers itself is, that the meaning of these concepts make them transcend possible comparison?
But nevertheless it seems odd that i didnt find anything.*the method of compilation has been to include all words given in Von Rosenroth's Qabalistic Dictionary, [...] * ( from SS's editorial note)
I do not have Rosenroth's dictionary, so I don't know what the criteria for inclusion of words are in regards to his work.
thnx . 93 93/93 -h
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@h3rwig said
"I was looking up the gematria enumerations for the Veils Of Naught in Sepher Sephiroth, and surprisingly found nothing for 711(Ayin), 1577(Ayin Soph), 1784 (Ayin Soph Aur).
Any thoughts why no correspondences are listed?"
Yes, I know why
You are using final-value numerations for the Nun-final. This isn't usually regarded as the primary approach.
The values of these words is quite famous and important in Gematria. The value of AYN is 61 - and there are huge doctrinal matters around this number. You'll find quite a lot there. (Startup sampler pack: Rearrange the letters and you get ANY, "I, myself." Crowley summarized 61 as “The negative conceiving itself as a positive” and “AIN, the Negative. ANI, Ego. A number rather like 31, q.v.”)
AYN SVP = 61 + 146 = 207. This is especially important because AVR also = 207! Furthermore, the primary MTA bus running up and down Western Avenue, which I ride constantly, also is the 207! As you can see, this is a number of enormous consequence
The whole, AYN SVP AVR, is thus 414, the same as the alchemical Mystery Word AZOTH (AZVTh) which represents, er, Everything. There are several other interesting 414 correspondences.
So, why not use final values? It just geneally isn't done. That means that the long-term buildup of Qabalistic associations mostly don't show up that way. Also, in Gematria, since it is so easy to run wild and justify anything you like, I think it is better to give yourself narrow rules that you stick with - at least for your core understanding of a matter - and then use elaborations of technique just for rounding out the picture. From this point of view, such devices as final-letter numerations and plenary ("in full") spellings of words (by spelling out the individual lettes that spell out the word) can be used to show an extra layer.
A really good, clean example of this: The letter-name Aleph is spelled ALP. This normally would be enumerated with a non-final Peh, thus 1 + 30 + 80 = 111. This has very wide implications, but one of which (a basic mathematical quality of the number) is that 111 is one of the Great Numbers of the Sun.
Now, if you evaluate ALP with a final Peh value, it is 1 + 30 + 800 or 831, the value (for example) of the Greek word phallus.
So Aleph is essentially solar and secondarily phallic (among other attributions) - hence almost every writer on the subject of the last 150 years (without explaining themselves) have called Aleph the create light.
For another example that final-values have their place, I'll wander into a bit of wierdness. Take the following passage from Liber Legis 1:46-48:
"46. Nothing is a secret key of this law. Sixty-one the Jews call it; I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen.
- But they have the half: unite by thine art so that all disappear.
- My prophet is a fool with his one one one: are not they the Ox and none by the Book?"
These three verses compose one of the great Qabalistic puzzles of the Book. Such puzzles are subject to more than one solution; and the present one has at least one significant solution besides that on the surface.
Let's start, though, with the surface meaning. The following is slightly edited from my diary:
""Nothing is a secret key of this law." The idea of Naught, or Zero, is an important Qabalistic concept to this Book. Due to the introduction of 0=2, the idea of "Unity" no longer means One as it has been previously understood. Indeed, One, as usually understood, does not exist. There is, in fact, Nothing like that. Two dissolves into Zero. One is an egocentric limitation. To understand "Do what thou wilt" and the word Thelema, we must understand Zero.
The Nothing is known in Qabalah as AYN = 61. By permutation of the letters we get ANY, "I, myself." This confirms that this Nothing is the real sense of self, of the ego. Nuit introduces other numerical clues which will be explored.
Verse 47 poses the puzzle which we shall explore. The word "they" is obscure, and its right understanding is the key to the solution. It does not refer to "the Jews."
Crowley is then said to be "a fool with his one, one, one," etc. The Qabalistic meanings of this verse seem so clear that they utterly blind us to the real meaning. On the surface, we note that, in the Tarot, Aleph is The Fool; its value in full is 111 (ALP); it means "Ox;" and its value in Tarot (i.e., by the "Book of Thoth") is 0 ("none"). Just the kind of thing to spill off of a Qabalist's mind, and certainly it serves to give us The Fool as an enigma whose "solution" is only in the Way of Going. But, first of all, it is not the deepest solution to this numerical puzzle; and, secondly, it obscures the "plain English" meaning.
Thus, AC is told that he is "a fool with his one, one, one." The English construction is the same as if we had said, "All you ever do is eat, eat, eat!" He was obsessed with One, with Unity; and he is being told that the Answer is not to be found there. The Answer is in Naught. (Read AC's Essay on Number in Eqx. I:5, written some years earlier; therein he is initially looking for a path to Unity as a solution to Duality. It comes up over and over.) The simple meaning is, then, "Nothing is a secret key of this law... You're an idiot to be obsessed with the idea of One.""
We now turn to a Qabalistic numerical solution. Skipping a (to me, tediously written out) elaboration of each of the number components and "cutting to the quick," we get:
"8 + 80 + 418 = 506, the value of ShVR, the actual Hebrew word for "ox," and the name of the constellation Taurus. This is the deeper meaning, being both more literal and more blinded. The significance of the number 506 (especially as 50 & 6 or NV) should not pass without witness.
8 + 80 + 418 + 61 = 567. By itself, 567 has no special relevance to our puzzle, for it is not a complete truth. The "they" in vv. 47-48 refers to the 61, 8, 80, & 418 of v. 46. The numbers themselves are the only reasonable antecedents.
If 567 is the half, then the other half is also 567. The whole is thus 567 x 2 = 1,134, which is:
<center>AYN SVPh AVR
(Ayin Soph Or)
the Limitless Light, the Qabalistic Zero, wherein "all disappear."</center>(Ain Soph Or by its primary enumeration is 414 = Azoth, and part of that Mystery of "one in eight" which will be encountered in Cap. II.)
Having the solution, we proceed to v. 48 and are told, as above discussed, that the prophet is "a fool" in his obsession with Unity; for "they" (the numbers added previously) are 506, ShVR, "the Ox," and 61, "none" — all "by the Book"!"
There are, of course, multiple variant meanings; but I believe this is the main one. Even in the word ShVR is the true Hierophant found in the midst of the Fire and the Sun; and the word itself, being literally Taurus, is Vav and The Hierophant.
"Furthermore, 111 can be studied by itself, and should be. It is a number of the Sun, of Creative Light; and this Light exists both in thick darkness and in blinding splendor, both by night and by day. Here is that "Lord of the Light and of the Darkness."
The Book of the Law has, therefore, steered us toward the idea of Nothing, and away from "one." It has given us a puzzle to solve, and left a few keys along the way. It has hinted at an entirely new Qabalah."
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@Jim Eshelman said
"You are using final-value numerations for the Nun-final. This isn't usually regarded as the primary approach."
big "aha" moment
that explains why I couldn't find any of the Hebrew letter names ending with final letters like (SMK, MIM, etc) either....@Jim Eshelman said
"The whole, AYN SVP AVR, is thus 414, the same as the alchemical Mystery Word AZOTH (AZVTh) which represents, er, Everything. There are several other interesting 414 correspondences."
very beautiful. especially "meditation"/HGVTh complements the picture perfectly here i think.....
thnx for your extensive answer and the example/your thoughts on those verses in Liber AL, very illuminating.....
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@Marc Free said
"N:G:I:D: "he who is foremost" the hebrew name for the 8=3 grade of Magister Templi associated with Binah"
Mark, I was about to write, "Can you give me a reference for this word? I'm not familiar with it and can't find the word in any ancient or modern Hebrew lexicon," when I thought to check Jastrow's rabbinical lexicon from the Talmudic-Midrashic era. Sure 'nuff, there it is, pronounced nagiyd and meaning "leader, ruler."
(Same spelling, same pointings, also means "a frail animal." Pronounced n'giyd it means "stretched" or (of metals) "beaten out flat." I suppose all of these could be comment on "leader"
)And I see the relationship to Binah since NGID = 67. But could you help me out with a source for the statement that this is the Hebrew name for 8=3? Do you mean this as literally as if you had said that ThLMID is the Hebrew name of the 1=10 grade?
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@Jim Eshelman said
"If 567 is the half, then the other half is also 567. The whole is thus 567 x 2 = 1,134, which is:
<center>AYN SVPh AVR
(Ayin Soph Or)
the Limitless Light, the Qabalistic Zero, wherein "all disappear."</center>"Sorry for dredging up an old thread. But can someone explain how 1,134 and Ain Soph Aur are related?
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@Her said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"If 567 is the half, then the other half is also 567. The whole is thus 567 x 2 = 1,134, which is:<center>AYN SVPh AVR
(Ayin Soph Or)
the Limitless Light, the Qabalistic Zero, wherein "all disappear."</center>"Sorry for dredging up an old thread. But can someone explain how 1,134 and Ain Soph Aur are related?"
It's a variant from the basis 414. If the Peh at the end of SVPh is given a final value of 800, then the words are 61 + 711 + 207.
Of the three variants employing one or more final values, I find this one especially intellectually satisfying because the AYN (Nothing) becomes the most contracted and AYN SVPh (Limitless) becomes the most expanded.
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Thanks for the explanation. It makes complete sense now.