Worship me with wine and strange drugs
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@dr. ski wampas said
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i'm dont sympathise or agree with people becoming disgruntled and shooting other people, but the whole sense of apathy of knowing that the universe is a force working on impersonal principles, and not becoming wrapped up in the result of any one event, is what is implied by the line "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law""If there is such thing as a sin in Thelema it is the taking away of another person's free will. To force someone against their will to do something or to take away their life is the ultimate attack on their free will. The only sin is restriction: restriction to oneself or to others.
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@DavidH said
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If there is such thing as a sin in Thelema it is the taking away of another person's free will. To force someone against their will to do something or to take away their life is the ultimate attack on their free will. The only sin is restriction: restriction to oneself or to others."
93 DavidH,
Erwin Hessle would disagree with you on that. See his essay 'The Ethics of Thelema' in 'Journal of Thelemic Studies' vol.1 no.1.
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Thank you for pointing me to that article. Yes, you are correct, Erwin Hessle does disagree with me on that. And maybe I am not informed, but I have no idea who Erwin Hessle is. So unless I can be shown that he has some place of honor and respect within Thelema, I won't take his comments seriously. Anyone can make comments.
If what he says is true, then Thelema is a breeding ground and sanctuary for psychos, serial killers, dictators, and anyone who wishes an excuse for controlling or harming others. No society could exist under such beliefs and I don't believe it is what Crowley believed or what Liber L meant.
So, do most people here agree with me or with this Hessle fellow? And who is he?
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I have no idea who the fellow is. I posted that link simply to evince the array of postulations that exist within the Thelemic community. I, personally, agree with you on this matter. 93's
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Within The Law is for All, Crowley's commentary on Liber AL, he writes of Thelema being a religion of Evolution in multiple view points. In the physical, he writes of the survival of the fittest. He also mentions one getting stampled on for the greatness of another, him specifically mentioning a raping for the founding of Rome.
I... don't agree with this however. I have your view DavidH. One might try and say it was the True Will of some man to rape a woman but what happened to her Will. Was it her will to be raped? I very seriously doubt that.
I think one of the problems is if you take an external approach or an internal approach, especially concerning Chapter III with its discussion of war and violence.
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The survival of the fittest does not neccesarily mean that you must kil the unfit. Nature itself will week out the unfit without interference from our wills.
Can you tell me where the comment on rape is? I'd like to read the entire context.
Thanks!
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@KRVB MMShCh said
"I posted that link simply to evince the array of postulations that exist within the Thelemic community."
Would you really say he's "within the Thelemic community"? (I guess you would, since you did.)
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I found the section, it's Crowley's commentary on III:20 Why? Because of the fall of Because, there is not there again.
His commentary kind of jumps around in thought a bit here. He is advocating action over thought but mentions Rome being founded on the rape of a Sabine woman, and asks if a reasoner would have advocated that rape.