Chastity
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@MEridianshos said
"Perhaps one could consider the human suit which we wear in the first place to be an external device, and for that matter the very inadequate (in regards to magical perception) processing unit commonly known as a brain to also be an external device as far as the "true self/will" is concerned."
It's also the particular mechanism that needs to handle this particular practice / discipline.
"It is neither required, nor justifiable to assume that the etheric and physical rewards of retraint from temporal sexual stimulation cannot be attained through many methods using any number of spiritual, mental, or material resources."
I think that's a fair statement. That is, the practice of chastity is hardly a universally useful technique. - But if that's the particular practice undertaken, then physical restraints or barriers aren't going to actually accomplish its purpose because it's mostly not about whether a physical thing happens.
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Excellent responses sir, and very nice to have intelligent people to discuss the mysteries of existence with. i am now curious what we may gain from Mr. Eshelman's suggested alternative to physical restraint, and intend to begin immediately the practice of chastity enforced only by my own psychological intent.
i look forward to the further association with members of this system of thought, and the many perceptual realizations that i am hopeful may be inherent to the practice of its diciplines.
On behalf of our coven so do i will. Let then my journey to thelema begin; so mote it be! -
I'm 20 years old and have only had sex twice. I'm not worried about it from a standpoint of conforming to social expectations, but I have noticed lately that I feel like less of a body and more of a spirit the majority of the time. This has its boons but overall it frightens me deeply. I have become so abstracted from the physical sphere that it seems like I'm lightyears away from being able to effect change in my environment. I don't know. I think I might be slightly neurotic as a result of this forced abstinence. But I've never really had an option. I've never been involved with anyone,...Its sort of depressing.
Do you think I could suffer permanent damage? I'm really quite sincerely worried about this.
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When one becomes a monk one practices celibate or brahmacharya. Isn't THAT historicaly an early stage, Jim?
If you want to master sexual energy (and that is an awesome force to manipulate
) you have to be a brahmachari. See Mantak Chia books, and the asana named siddhasana, also burmese position for the begginer.
And of course how can you have all that fun with succubus without being a brahmachari?
Energy rising made fun! Being a brahmachari is awesome but not easy technicaly. Moderate food intake should be seen to and siddhasana practiced every day... see Hatha yoga pradipika.
By the way any sexual energy practice should begin after a month of abstinence acording to Mantak Chia. So understand it is the lust you manipulate and everything that brings it down for too many days is a drawback and ejacultation puts you out for a whole month! Educate yourself! -
im thinking since life circumstances (my Pantacle if you will) have more or less forced me into solitude, im going to stop masturbating soon . do you think this will produce an overcharge of energy which i will be able to use as i will? do you think it will have any positive effects?
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@rein said
"...im going to stop masturbating soon . do you think this will produce an overcharge of energy which i will be able to use as i will? do you think it will have any positive effects?"
If you become fully celibate mindfully, having (rather than suppressing) the feelings involved, and learning to let them pass through you, then it can be a great gain. One or two periods of daily meditation help redistribute this energy fruitfully.
If you are subject to a lot of stress and pressure and don't give yourself the chance to relax and redistribute, then you're likely to become a good example of bad adolesence swinging out of control.
Able to use it as you will? Accumulation of energy doesn't necessarily mean that you know how to direct it. Those are different skills. Do you already know how to direct available energy according to will?
You may discover that you need a periodic discharge. I would recommend, therefore (consistent with your above stated approach), that you schedule this on a fixed rhythm - once a week, every other week, once a month, whatever you find is necessary - on a particular point of the calendar or lunar cycle, and that you regard it as a firm date with a religious worship.
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"I would recommend, therefore (consistent with your above stated approach), that you schedule this on a fixed rhythm - once a week, every other week, once a month, whatever you find is necessary - on a particular point of the calendar or lunar cycle, and that you regard it as a firm date with a religious worship."
Is this approach something that could benefit a couple as well? What I'm referring to is the systematic scheduling of sex coupled with a religious worship on a calculated point of the calendar or lunar cycle.
Obviously this takes away from the spontaneity factor, which many women particularly enjoy.
There is so much to organize and keep track of! (I don't mean sexually, I'm talking TOT-wise) Should we be taking our fill of love as we will or fumbling around for our "sex journals" in order to see if it's the appropriate time for coitus???
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But he was actually contemplating the opposite: not participating in that kind of activity (at least partly because of, for the moment, lack of opportunities).
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Total chastity was not originally part of the Brahmacharya route. Instead, the yogi would refrain from sex entirely for fixed periods. During this period it is necessary to refrain from all thoughts of sex as well as physical acts. This is then released during sex itself.
In the modern world this is an intense discipline, if only because of the way sexual images are used to sell everything from music to clothing. Suppressing sexual thoughts leads to a build up of energy whose release is more intense for it. This is a useful channel - and makes people into great lovers according to the earlier Brahmanas. Later the puritanical aspect entered the literature, but only after the encounter with proselytising Islamic mystics.
Try it, if only for a day.
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I like this discussion, right to the heart of the scorpionic energy.
Let's say one is in a required period of chaste. Then you wake up as the body is taking care of the "problem" itself....would that mean you would have to start all over again?
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There are specific asanas that deal with nocturnal emissons
Shirshasana the advanced headstand is reliable.
Ayurvedically, chastity increased your Ojas which literally means Vigor.
Ojas is like a condensation of semen that spreads throughout your body and it makes you shine.
Accordingly there are other Ayurvedic practices/diets that stop nocturnal emissions/increase Ojas.93 93/93
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Siddhasana, Burmese position deals with that too. And don't go to sleep for 4 or so hours after you eat i.e. food is digested.
Sethur, a true brahmacyari NEVER ejecultates. The power is in LUST not in ejecultating semen. You decrease that power if you ejecultate. -
I'm still collecting data but it seems to me that after a period of chasity that the ejaculation is more intense (expected). However what I did not expect was what seemed to be an increase in magnetism after the ejaculation.
By magnetism I mean a lot of people seeking me out/approaching me (after the release) who I otherwise don't interact with. Not sure if this is from the period of chasity, the intense release, or both but something's going on that seems to be duplicatible.
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C'mon, it's easy.
If you exchange energies with a partner, or transform energy yourself you shine energeticaly because you have a lot of it. After 3 months of brahmacyaria I got a girlfriend even if I didn't realy put anything in. As Levi calls it my pentagram was shining so much that it intoxicated her with love. Of course people want your energy surplus. Even cats do. -
@Modes said
"C'mon, it's easy.
If you exchange energies with a partner, or transform energy yourself you shine energeticaly because you have a lot of it."Ok that makes sense, thank you. One last bit of confusion, there seems to be two different views here as far as whether to suppress those feelings or not:
@Jim Eshelman said
"If you become fully celibate mindfully, having (rather than suppressing) the feelings involved, and learning to let them pass through you, then it can be a great gain. One or two periods of daily meditation help redistribute this energy fruitfully."
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@sethur said
"During this period it is necessary to refrain from all thoughts of sex as well as physical acts....
...Suppressing sexual thoughts leads to a build up of energy whose release is more intense for it. "
Is Jim and sethur talking about two different practices? To suppress or not to suppress?
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Without trying to put words in someone else's mouth... I wonder if there is a semantical issue here with the word "suppress." Certainly it is useful not to entertain sexual thoughts, not to make it hard on yourself unnecessarily. But actual suppression (denying, shoving down, lying to yourself about, etc.) leads to mental and emotional unbalance.
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I think we have only one nice not going into details Jim's approach wich is generaly true.
I put forward more details about it but I won't write a book - I recommend Mantak Chia for all the details you ever need. And if you prefer yoga read about it too.
Definitely, there is nothing to surpress - meditate on the taiji. -
Some Western students of the Nath tradition, almost extinct in India, tried to fuse the old Trantric traditions with Western magick beginning I think in the 70s. These Naths are still around as a very small group with an online presence. Anyway, some of these people came to the conclusion that it was extremely difficult to pursue strict Tantric practises outside of the Indian culture and without a knowledgeable teacher closeby. Many returned to Western magick, others went to India. Dion Fortune felt strongly about not mixing the two, although she did practise yoga.