The Qlippoth - elegant commentary of Michael Ford

Anonymous

I'm placing my money on a balance of BHP (Both Hand Paths) As does the al-Khem ist who understands the:
1 Apophis / Chaotic / breaking down of ourselves
2 Kheperu / Transformation
3 Ma'at / reestablished Balance & Order / Phoenix from its own ashes spiritual rebirth.

I would agree that perhaps Ford is a little unbalanced towards the LFH, but I like what he has to say and I think he says it well.

Thoughts?

Michael Staley

Cliff,

Are you related, I wonder, to Mr & Mrs Atria and their son Jem? Or to Mr & Mrs Kuth and their son Mal?

Or will you babble on about Babalon?

No, it will be Mr & Mrs Adhi and their son Sam. Or, if not, Mr & Mrs Ahna and their daughter Di.

Best wishes,

Michael.

Anonymous

@Michael Staley said

"Cliff,

Are you related, I wonder, to Mr & Mrs Atria and their son Jem? Or to Mr & Mrs Kuth and their son Mal?

Or will you babble on about Babalon?

No, it will be Mr & Mrs Adhi and their son Sam. Or, if not, Mr & Mrs Ahna and their daughter Di.

Best wishes,

Michael."
What does that mean? I have no idea who these people are but I am gathering you are being a smartass? Correct me if I'm wrong, so I don't waste my 'babbling' on this forum.

Michael Staley

Dear Cliff,

No, I wasn't trying to be a smartass. They are simply humorous remarks, and I'm sorry if I've caused offence; none was intended.

Best wishes,

Michael.

Modest

Heh, english humour! Jematria, Malkuth Samadhi, Diahna. But I'm still far from understanding this arcanum arcanorum.

Anonymous

Then please excuse me for jumping to inaccurate conclusions. You are certainly not a smart***, but rather 'smart' from the other posts that I looked up of yours, my fault.

Cliff

Uni_Verse

@rzk said

"Not at all. That is one of the basic points that the Left Hand Path always have been trying to make."

What about when one thinks of the altar, the double cube - the two trees in equilibrium. You can put one cube on top of the other and it is still the same.

I have always seen it depending on the person...
If one is at peace, the way shall be peaceful.
If one is at war, the way shall be conflicted.
An angel being an angel to an angel, just as a demon is a demon to a demon.

Metzareph

@rzk said

"Well, you don´t want to if you do not want to work with the Left Hand Path.
The idea to work first with the Sephiroth up to Tiphareth is Right Hand Path practice.

The reason is simply that illumination is achieved at Tiphareth/Thagirion at the same time for the Left Hand Path adept, instead at only Tiphareth: where half of Left Hand Path initiation is missing.
So the reason is basically an issue of time. There is no reason in not starting to work with the Qliphoth directly if one really wants to work with the Left Hand Path. It is faster to work simultaneously with the trees than to take one tree at a time.
And also, maybe most importantly, by the time you have worked with the Sephirotic tree you would have building the sense of yourself up so much that it would take longer time to let the qliphotic powers cut away layers that you after a while identify with very hard."

I have not bought yet the idea of taking a dive into the qlipoth without the understanding of one's humanity. Bluntly, we humans are animals and we share the same basic urges and necessities of a dog. The only thing that makes us different, is awareness of the divine. The three lower cakras of Hindu tradition reflect the animal condition. The fourth, the heart cakra (equivalent to Tipharet) is were we gain insight to our spiritual growth. I argue that there is a contradiction on re-emerging from a qlipothic dive such as this with your consciousness intact. In this case, and if done correctly, you will forget that you were human.
Again, the danger here is not dealing with demonic forces. The danger here is forgetting you are human.

Human consciousness is a very fragile thing that has been in the works since the Big Bang. It has lots of flaws and it is still a "prototype stage".
On the other hand, I see and respect the principle behind such attempt. The way I see this exercise is to integrate the dark aspects of the psyche into our daily practice, to embrace and deal with our demons. But you see, this is an entirely different thing. We first acknowledge that we are human beings and that it is our Will to gain spiritual understanding. The lower has to be brought to the light... meaning, be brought to the conscious part of ourselves. But it is under the premise that we know we are human and that we want to do this operation.

"Is god to live in a dog?"

Explore the Nature and Powers of your own Being.

      This includes everything which is, or can be for  you:
      and  you  must  accept  everything exactly as it is in
      itself, as one of the factors which go to make up your
      True Self.  This True Self  thus  ultimately  includes
      all  things  soever:  its discovery is Initiation (the
      travelling inwards) and  as  its  Nature  is  to  move
      continually,  it must be understood not as static, but
      as dynamic, not as a Noun but as a Verb.

Modest

I have a book by my friend Abramelin beside me and he says that controling demons is best with your HGA's help. It's not hard to deduce that the same warning applies to the qlipoth. Now my friend Abramelin was a wise man.. Now I know from the book that there's no need to deal with the qlipoth in order to aspire to my HGA.

Uni_Verse

@rzk said

"
Do you have any references to material where it is said that one of the cubes is the tree of knowledge, the qliphotic tree?
"

No. I have references for the Tree as a two-dimensional representation of a cube.

Two cubes, two trees was my line of thinking.