compassion is the vice of kings
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@Arsihsis said
"""To destroy our enemies" is to realize the illusion of duality, to excite compassion." - An Initiated Interpretation of Ceremonial Magick
Compare the language used in the previous excerpt to that of v. 25 & 26 of Liber XC.
"these are mine enemies, and I am come to destroy them. This also is compassion"
These excerpts, paired with the one from The Cry of the 12th Æthyr, shed an interesting light on CCXX, II:21. This murderous language seems to me to be a call from Nuit to realize & abandon the illusion of duality.
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That is the only meaningful interpretation to me, except from the obvious personal-political idea that if you want to do something, and people are standing in your way, either you stop doing that something or you destroy those standing in your way. That interpretation too is a bit silly because Love is the law, love under will - why not unite with them and bend them towards the One Aim also?
In the end There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt and the other lines are just helping hands to get us to understand Do what thou wilt in its many facets, applications, and such.
IAO131
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@Maya93 said
"Perhaps it means that the King shows compassion because it gives him personal pleasure, not because he is required to, as in other systems."
Why single out compassion for 'personal pleasure'? I can get personal pleasure from moving my legs around after exercising but I dont think the Law needs to tell me about that... same with 'being nice to people' and such.
IAO131
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@Aum418 said
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@Maya93 said
"Perhaps it means that the King shows compassion because it gives him personal pleasure, not because he is required to, as in other systems."Why single out compassion for 'personal pleasure'? I can get personal pleasure from moving my legs around after exercising but I dont think the Law needs to tell me about that... same with 'being nice to people' and such.
IAO131"
This is a loose interpretation of “vice” on my part, I admit. A literal reading would be that compassion is a character defect or bad habit among kings. I don’t quarrel with that. But, at the same time, a king’s vices are not the same as a peasant’s. A king’s vices are “cloaked in purple,” no? There’s no law above him. His whims are law. I only throw that out because the contrast between “king” and “vice” catches my eye. I stand by the “perhaps” above, though. I’m not confident enough in the theory to defend it too enthusiastically.
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@Maya93 said
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@Aum418 said
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@Maya93 said
"Perhaps it means that the King shows compassion because it gives him personal pleasure, not because he is required to, as in other systems."Why single out compassion for 'personal pleasure'? I can get personal pleasure from moving my legs around after exercising but I dont think the Law needs to tell me about that... same with 'being nice to people' and such.
IAO131"
This is a loose interpretation of “vice” on my part, I admit. A literal reading would be that compassion is a character defect or bad habit among kings. I don’t quarrel with that. But, at the same time, a king’s vices are not the same as a peasant’s. A king’s vices are “cloaked in purple,” no? There’s no law above him. His whims are law. I only throw that out because the contrast between “king” and “vice” catches my eye. I stand by the “perhaps” above, though. I’m not confident enough in the theory to defend it too enthusiastically."
A better question would be 'Do Kings still care about virtue & vice?' ...
IAO131
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And "passion" literally means "pain" - a meaning we best preserve in the word "compassion."
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To me, the question here is "To what shall the Will that resides within me be subservient?"
Someone once told me that the key to understanding the big stuff comes from starting with the small stuff.
So, let's say, in relationship to bacteria... It's alive. It is a life that participates in the Divine manifestation of Reality. It attacks me? Should I bow to the Divine Life within the unthinking, unfeeling bacteria and let it overcome me? No, give me poisons for it! Give me instruments for its destruction! Kill and spare not! Let's get this bathroom clean!
As one moves up the spectrum of life to more intelligent and feeling creatures, for instance, those that I kill for food, the question comes again? Who lives? Shall the Will that resides in me place itself second to the Divine Cow and die so that the less-thinking, less-feeling creature may live? Some choose that path and the experiences it offers. Personally, I kill and eat, and I survive at the expense of the animal's life.
Moving up to human/human considerations, I think one must exercise much greater care in application. But the question comes again: "To what shall the Will that resides within me be subservient?" The fellow human can be considered just as fully an expression of the Divine Life and Will as I am. In my opinion, the message of Hadit is based in survival-mentality: "This is what to do to survive." Now here, we reach a level where the survival-mentality has some choices to make as to quality and length of survival. You may attempt to kill and stamp down everyone who seems to stand in your way, but the survival-mentality of the collective will descend quickly to protect society by instead killing you. It would lead to a very ugly and very brief life that would only make sense in a very socially primitive setting where survival and dominance rule alone. As a result, in the context of survival within society, the injunctions of Hadit make more sense if they are applied more symbolically.
I guess at the end of the day, I see Hadit's message as sort of.... the father's blessing on the survival of the son: "If it all goes down bad, and you're in a foxhole wondering about the correctness of shooting other humans who are intent on killing you... Then, my son, feel the sharp, venomous blessing of the will to survive! Kill and spare not! You have my blessing to survive!"
One may, if one prefers, submit one's own life to the experience of death at another's hands. Though that would not be the perspective and advice of Hadit, it could be said to reflect the perspective and advice of his counterpart in Nuit, who is associated with the death of self-orientation for the sake of all-orientation.
Compassion is the vice of kings. It ultimately leads to the king's death. But, one must ask, what kind of death was one born to embrace?
Choose your vices appropriately.
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@craigp said
"i'm still having trouble with this one. can anyone offer some interpretations?
what i understand:
* everyone must be allowed to do their Will and their experiences (even pain) teach lessons, if they aren't trying to work at themselves how can anyone learn their Will.
* if you pity someone you put yourselves above them. while i understand the universe is not egalitarian and can not be forced against itself to be, every person has a Will whether or not they choose to attempt to discover it and that should be respected.but this passage always seemed to say to me that it against Thelema to help another person. let's say a friend's home is flooded and i decide to help them out, isn't this then antiThelemic?
thank you".
@craigp said
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* if you pity someone you put yourselves above them. "Great point. Every man and woman is a star.
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@Middleman said
"I like to think that TBOTL is addressed to die-hard seekers of truth and not the whole of humanity."
What do you think of TBOTL saying "the Law is for all."?