Vampirism & Thelema
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@Jim Eshelman said
"By the time I had the time, the thread had wondered so far into the gutter that I didn't bother."
...prophet or no - IMO, pranic theft is already gutteral - not to mention a form of slavery not unlike chemical addiction & dependance...but, of coarse, "Do what thou wilt" & "the slaves shall serve"...
L.Lazuli
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I'd like to make it clear that when I talk about Psychic Vampirism I do not use the term because I identify with the archetype of the Vampire. I am not talking about being an ego driven poser either.
However, I suspect my Vampirism stems from my energy body functioning differently than most.... perhaps an irregularity in the way my Chakras process and store energy. I am not completely sure yet.
When I take the energy from someone I do it with their full consent and knowledge. I am not a predator. Psychic Vampirism doesn't have to be harmful. It can help both the Vampire and the donor. During an energy exchange energy may be cycled and manipulated between the two partners until it is at a higher vibration. The energy can then be used to benefit both people in various ways if needed. However, usually the donor has an excess amount of energy. Therefore no harm is being done and their will isn't being violated as they have agreed to the act.
So... can this thread please get past the idea of Immortal Bloodsucking Vampires and ideas of LHP Predatory Spirituality?
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@FallenAngel said
"However, I suspect my Vampirism stems from my energy body functioning differently than most.... perhaps an irregularity in the way my Chakras process and store energy. I am not completely sure yet."
If so, then that would be good reason to do some serious work on balancing and healing your aura, equilibrating your chakras, etc.
"When I take the energy from someone I do it with their full consent and knowledge. I am not a predator."
Let's be clear: That, alone, isn't enough assurance. There are people who literally drink blood who can say the same thing. They happen to know how to find and pick their targets. I'm not saying you're like them. I'm saying this particular defense, in and of itself, is insufficient.
"Psychic Vampirism doesn't have to be harmful. It can help both the Vampire and the donor. During an energy exchange energy may be cycled and manipulated between the two partners until it is at a higher vibration. The energy can then be used to benefit both people in various ways if needed. However, usually the donor has an excess amount of energy. Therefore no harm is being done and their will isn't being violated as they have agreed to the act. "
Yes, I've heard this argument before. It has never persuaded me, but I make allowances that it is possibly valid, at least in some cases. - BTW remember that my answer was in response to your posting a question and soliciting opinions, and then complaining that you didn't get a certain kind of answer. I'm not interested in arguing, I was simply willing to offer an answer to your questions.
"So... can this thread please get past the idea of Immortal Bloodsucking Vampires and ideas of LHP Predatory Spirituality?"
My answer had nothing to do with any of that. You are, however, a predator. That word needn't have a moral bias, it's just a reference to how (by your words) you feed.
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Thank you for your advice Jim. I respect you and your opinions.
btw, why is Psychic Vampirism taught in the 8th degree of the O.T.O?
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@FallenAngel said
"However, I suspect my Vampirism stems from my energy body functioning differently than most.... perhaps an irregularity in the way my Chakras process and store energy. I am not completely sure yet."
If it's a chakra malfunction, try LBRP, Middle Pillar, invoking the sun via the LRH or a particular element you want via the LBRP template.
Just curious, but what are your physical symptoms when you cannot have energy-exchanges with another person for a long time?
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I have severe heart problems when I do not exchange energy on a regular basis.
My other symptoms include...
Fainting, Sensitivity to temperature, Sensitivity to Light, Migraines, Weak Immune System, Fatigue, etc.I've been diagnosed with with a sever case of Tachycardia which only goes away when I exchange energy with someone.
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@FallenAngel said
"btw, why is Psychic Vampirism taught in the 8th degree of the O.T.O?"
Well, nobody can answer that authentically and in detail without discussing that degree. I only gave information that was a paraphrase from things Crowley wrote in public.
My opinion as to (part of) the "why" is that it is training for recognizing and controlling one class of energies that are not limited to the physical - for its own sake and as a preliminary training for what comes after.
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@FallenAngel said
"I have severe heart problems when I do not take."
What kind of severe heart problems (if you're willing to say)? Are you under any medical monitoring or treatment for these problems?
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I edited my above post and added the other symptoms.
I was on treatment... which only made me feel worse. The only thing that helps is the energy exchange.
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How often do you need to do this?
Have you experimented by working with someone who is a Reiki practitioner or otherwise competent to cause energy to move at will?
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@FallenAngel said
"I have severe heart problems when I do not exchange energy on a regular basis.
My other symptoms include...
Fainting, Sensitivity to temperature, Sensitivity to Light, Migraines, Weak Immune System, Fatigue, etc.I've been diagnosed with with a sever case of Tachycardia which only goes away when I exchange energy with someone."
Well, have you tried an interchange instead of just taking?
Tantric and Taoist are good for that.
Male-female interchange can help you stabilize since complements your energy and heals. The thing with vampirism is that is a never ending cylce of taking and wasting that energy. You need to heal, not make other people sick.
This male-female interchange may or may not refer necessarily to intercourse. -
I do it about every 1-2 weeks depending on need.
I have experimented with energy workers and a reiki practicioner.
I have also experimented to make sure I wasn't self delusioned into needing this. I stopped the exchanges for a few months and ended up being treated in the hospital. The pills they gave me did not help. I was on them for a year. I quit.
I have looked into alternatives. I have tried QiGong and tried to thrive off of elemental energies and the energies of the Universe. It didn't do much.
I have practiced the LBRP and the Middle Piller and the Circulation of the Body of Light. It helps a bit, but not completely.
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To Metzareph...
It usually is an interchange. I do not always usually just take and leave the other person vulnerable. My donor at the moment has an excess amount of energy that seems to somehow hinder him. We balance each other out. I'm the Yin, he's the Yang.
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@FallenAngel said
"I do it about every 1-2 weeks depending on need.
I have experimented with energy workers and a reiki practicioner."
What happened?
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@FallenAngel said
"To Metzareph...
It usually is an interchange. I do not always usually just take and leave the other person vulnerable. My donor at the moment has an excess amount of energy that seems to somehow hinder him. We balance each other out. I'm the Yin, he's the Yang."
Cool! does that help?
In any case, you seem to need more help than what it can be done over cyberspace. You should see a Taoist master or other qualified person.
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We discovered that I cannot do much with reiki for some reason. The energy worker(s) and I discovered that I do thrive off of human energy and that I am able to manipulate it enough to take it into myself and "digest" it.
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@Metzareph said
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@FallenAngel said
"To Metzareph...It usually is an interchange. I do not always usually just take and leave the other person vulnerable. My donor at the moment has an excess amount of energy that seems to somehow hinder him. We balance each other out. I'm the Yin, he's the Yang."
Cool! does that help?
In any case, you seem to need more help than what it can be done over cyberspace. You should see a Taoist master or other qualified person."
Yes it does help. It fixes the problem for awhile.
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BTW, here is one test for filtering whether there is an ego-attachment to this going on.
Are you as willing to call yourself a leech as a vampire?
There's really no dictionary definition of "vampire" that matches your expressed self-definition. (There is, of course, a colloquial use.) OTOH there is a perfectly ordinary use of "leech" which fits.
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Leech fits my description. I even joke around with that term with my donor.
I am not happy being this way. I don't want it. I would change in a heartbeat. -
I find it hillarious that self proclaimed "magicians" who seek to change reality to conform to their Will or desire by using concentration and symbol systems find no room in their cosmology for the idea that the myths of the vampire might point towards an actual spiritual path or individuals, for better or worse...
i'd like to point out that the Tibetans have been using forms of psychic vampirism for thousands of years to heal other individuals.
They call the practice "tong-len"
www.answers.com/topic/tong-lenin the tradition I was first initiated into that dealt with using the vampiric archetype for initiates that found themselves drawn to such things it was one of the first practices given.
guess those tibetans are lhp predators who are interfering with everyone's Will. who would have thought?