The "Supreme Secret" of th O.T.O.
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H2H...I think you nailed it
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Just so everyone understands my administrative view on this post...
My opinion is that the post is ill-placed and bordering on off-topic. This forum has nothing to do with O.T.O., so something framed in terms of specific O.T.O. matters seems somewhere between bad taste and O.T.
However, when I read it early this morning, I concluded it didn't actually violate anyone's proprietary rights or reveal any honestly obligated material. It doesn't break any actual rule for the forum. Therefore, I left it.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"My opinion is that the post is ill-placed and bordering on off-topic. This forum has nothing to do with O.T.O., so something framed in terms of specific O.T.O. matters seems somewhere between bad taste and O.T."
I realise that O.T.O. matters have no place on this forum. The reference is only in passing, since the technique under discussion is described as the "supreme secret" of that august body. As for "ill-placed" and "bordering off-topic", yes this post might equally have been nestling in the 'Mysticism' or 'Magick' forums; I'll give more thought to the placing of posts in the future.
That clarified, we can return to the discussion.
Best wishes,
Michael.
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To be clear - I didn't mean OT based on where you posted it, but rather than any discussion of something distinctly O.T.O. is likely off-topic to any location on this forum.
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h2h
Do you know the secret of which you speak?
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Regarding the "reversal effect," and without addressing the secret of any O.T.O. degree per se...
Look around in another forum here for my recent remarks on money spells in general. It's a bad basis for evaluating any technique.
Second, on the reversal issue itself, consider the published "penalty clause" of the Golden Dawn 5=6 oath. (If you're interested enough, you either know it or can easily look it up.) I suggest this saying only that it is not an irrelevant remark.
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@666 said
""The supreme secret of the O.T.O. is[...]written plainly in Liber CCCXXXIII, Cap. XXXVI(The Star Sapphire)." - De Arte Magica, Cap. I"
...can anyone say "cream pie snow ball"?
@Jim Eshelman said
"To be clear - I didn't mean OT based on where you posted it, but rather than any discussion of something distinctly O.T.O. is likely off-topic to any location on this forum."
What about the instance of the 'Supreme Secret' of the O.T.O. being written plainly in an A.'.A.'. document? Is The Star Sapphire open for candid discussion in reference to A.'.A.'. rather than O.T.O.?
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@Parzival said
"h2h
Do you know the secret of which you speak?"
Parzival,
Any answer I give would only mislead. That noted, I would like to amend an earlier remark:
You're already lost when you take things on faith of another man.
And state:
*You’re *not there yet ** if you take things on faith of another man.
solve et coagula,
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@KRVB MMShCh said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"To be clear - I didn't mean OT based on where you posted it, but rather than any discussion of something distinctly O.T.O. is likely off-topic to any location on this forum."What about the instance of the 'Supreme Secret' of the O.T.O. being written plainly in an A.'.A.'. document?"
If that were true then there would no read even to mention O.T.O. or its proprietary secrets, right?
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@Jim Eshelman said
"If that were true then there would no read even to mention O.T.O. or its proprietary secrets, right?"
...an oath of secrecy is one thing, but proprietary knowledge!?
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@Lapis said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"If that were true then there would no read even to mention O.T.O. or its proprietary secrets, right?"...an oath of secrecy is one thing, but proprietary knowledge!?
"Yes, I regard their specific teachings and formal instruction as their property.
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93 all.
I am more interested in the 11th degree work involving Kalas, outside of the male body. (Not the Homosexual version of the Caliphate, but that of the Typhonian).
Michael, can you elaborate on this? Perhaps we can discuss some pros and cons to these workings.
I feel that the tincture of the 9th degree "secret" is not all there is too it.
Just thought I would bring this up to make things a bit more interesting,
With best regards.93 93/93.'.
Shachdar
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@Michael Staley said
"Looking at Crowley's life, it's difficult to recognose the fruits of this technique. Being almost permanently on the edge of destitution, many of his Operations were quite understandably for money. "
Slightly off topic but I always found it funny that certain factions in the Thelemic and Occult communities push the idea that one must be successful financially to be a "true" adept etc. yadda yadda yadda and yet there supreme example is Al Crowley...
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The very fact that there are opposing fractions at all within the thelemic and occult communities quite frankly amazes me.
At least the level of it. Respecting each others respective reality tunnels might be a contribution to a more constructive cooexistence?
Edit: coexistence.
93 93/93
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OK, I'm locking this thread. End of discussion. Take your organizational bashing somewhere else. This board is not available for that kind of agenda.