A Secret Ritual of Apep
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
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Love is the law, love under will.
@KRVB MMShCh said
"I had considered that, but based upon the fact that the interpretation of Liber A'ash is given to the Dominus Liminis, I thought CCCLXX seemed more fitting for Ordeal x"
From this, I assume you're interpreting the Ordeal X as the threshold of passage to Adepthood (K&C). Although this is a very common interpretation (and probably the one with the most evidence behind it), it's not the only possible one. One could make a case for it being the crossing of the Abyss, for example, since there are resonances with N.O.X., and "thou shalt know" could refer to Understanding (Binah). Having the "Beast and Bride" be able to worship Nuit and Hadit may be fully possible once nestled snugly in the supernals...
Not sure how this might connect with Stellae Rubeae, and I'm not convinced it's really about the O.X. at all.
Steve
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
@Steven Cranmer said
"From this, I assume you're interpreting the Ordeal X as the threshold of passage to Adepthood (K&C). Although this is a very common interpretation (and probably the one with the most evidence behind it), it's not the only possible one."
I am aware of the Abysmal interpretation of Ordeal x - & in this case it may have more credence, since Liber Stellae Rubeae is given to the Adeptus Major, who is on the verge of the Abyss & on the same plane as Teth.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
I don't think that's what the "certain matter" is about at all. I haven't jumped in because, if I'm right, I'm under obligation concerning the "certain matter" from an Order to which to used to below - and, of course, if I'm wrong then it just pollutes the data pool to bring it up.
I think the real justification for my answering at all is to say that I never thought it was of any real importance what the "matter" was. Liber 66 stands on its own regardless.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
@Jim Eshelman said
"I don't think that's what the "certain matter" is about at all. I haven't jumped in because, if I'm right, I'm under obligation concerning the "certain matter" from an Order to which to used to below - and, of course, if I'm wrong then it just pollutes the data pool to bring it up.
I think the real justification for my answering at all is to say that I never thought it was of any real importance what the "matter" was. Liber 66 stands on its own regardless."
Yet its for a certain use, so I dont see how seeing the purpose behind a ritual isnt 'of any real importance'
IAO131
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
@Aum418 said
"Yet its for a certain use, so I dont see how seeing the purpose behind a ritual isnt 'of any real importance'"
Well, if it were only for that purpose, then I'd agree. But since it serves a wide range of purposes, I've never felt any need to pin down what the title was contemplating.
IOW I suppose, ultimately, I just don't give a shit.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Aum418 said
"Yet its for a certain use, so I dont see how seeing the purpose behind a ritual isnt 'of any real importance'"Well, if it were only for that purpose, then I'd agree. But since it serves a wide range of purposes, I've never felt any need to pin down what the title was contemplating.
IOW I suppose, ultimately, I just don't give a shit."
Where do you gather in that description that its not only for that purpose?
I can see you don't give a shit, though - very mature answer.
IAO131
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
@Aum418 said
"Where do you gather in that description that its not only for that purpose?"
From understanding bvery well the document and what it's talking about, it is evident that it aids a multitue of purposes.
"I can see you don't give a shit, though - very mature answer."
One is not required to think all things are important. This particular distinction seems, to me, to be of no real consequence at all. The subtitle in this case might just as well have been, "to clarify several small, practical points concernig Liber Legis."
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
If I may be so bold, I'd like to offer up this much:
The certain purpose is irrelevant if the ritual serves a multitude of other purposes. It is also irrelevant if Crowley intended the ritual to serve these other purposes if those who have used it for other purposes have had success. Let the ritual and its merits speak for themselves. "Our method is science." Thus, our means of judging the value of any ritual, text or whatever lies in experimentation, observation and repetition. Science.
The extent of magical knowledge does not end with the knowledge and understanding of the now long-dead Aleister Crowley.
Yes, I know he wrote the book, but who cares? If it may serve purposes for which he did not intend it, so be it. The argument is just as relevant as arguing the true authorship of the Keys of Solomon. If they work, who cares? Likewise, if they don't, does it matter if Solomon himself wrote them?
Forgive the poor wording of this post, as I'm just writing it off the cuff, focusing on communicating my ideas, rather than focusing on beauty of language.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
I have a question and I thought this would as good a thread as any to put it in.
Anyway, I have been working on Liber Stellae Rubeae for a long time off and on.
I ended up with a magickal formula(not really from my own work:p):
ALLAShALLA
All I want to know is if I am on the right track or not.
thnks:)
"There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt."
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of te Law.
On the title page of Liber Stellae Rubeae Crowley has written "A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis."...is it known to anyone here which "certain matter of Liber Legis" he is referring to?
616
Love is the law, love under will.
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There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.