Nuit=Cross/Hadit=Rose?
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I have been practicing Magick for some time now, but I am new to Thelema - so bear with me on this. I have always understood the Cross to be the symbol of the Phallus & the Rose to represent the Kteis. I have, in my recent studies, learned to identify these principals with Hadit & Nuit respectively - but in the 23rd Aethyr or The Vision & the Voice Crowley says something that seems to hint at the reversal of these roles:
Glory unto the Rose and the Cross, for the Cross is extended unto the uttermost end beyond space and time and being and knowledge and delight! Glory unto the Rose that is the minute point of its center!
Is he suggesting that the Cross now represents Nuit in its expansion while the Rose is Hadit in its constriction? Is this similar to the idea of the characteristics of the Red Lion & the White Eagle 'mingling' as in Atu XIV, to which the 24th Aethyr alluded to?
R.E.D.
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@Red Eagle of Death said
"Is this similar to the idea of the characteristics of the Red Lion & the White Eagle 'mingling' as in Atu XIV, to which the 24th Aethyr alluded to?"
...you're definitely on the right track R.E.D.
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I think your last phrase, R.E.D., is in the right direction, but that the overall picture is simpler than you're crediting.
As in your first impression: Nuit = rose (which is also equivalent to the circle) and Hadit = cross. From another model, Hadit is the center of the circle, and the cross is the child growing from the center-seed to fill the interior of the womb - but, for the most part, cross = phallus is the equation, and, in this sense, the center and its extension (the cross) are one and the same.
The quoted passage is showing the infinitessimal expanding to the infinite, and the infinite contracting to the infinitessimal: The center-seed-cross-Hadit expanding to the infinite as the circumference-circle-rose-Nuit contracts on Him.
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It makes me think of the idea that the lingam has the yoni to hold it. In some representations, the yoni is the physical base for the lingam. Without it, the lingam cannot "expand"
It also makes me think of the expansion and contraction, being the systole and diastole of a heart, that propels manifestation. I will even venture to say that this motion creates the space-time-continuum, and the veil of existence.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"The center-seed-cross-Hadit expanding to the infinite"
...but how can Hadit be expanding if He is "not extended"?
"Come! all ye, and learn the secret that hath not yet been revealed. I, Hadit, am the complement of Nu, my bride. I am not extended, and Khabs is the name of my House." - CCXX, II:2
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@Red Eagle of Death said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"The center-seed-cross-Hadit expanding to the infinite"...but how can Hadit be expanding if He is "not extended"?
"Come! all ye, and learn the secret that hath not yet been revealed. I, Hadit, am the complement of Nu, my bride. I am not extended, and Khabs is the name of my House." - CCXX, II:2"
Each is moving in the direction of the other - it's intentionally irrational, the infinitessimal becoming infinite as the infinite becomes infinitessimal.