Symbols in the 10 of swords thoth tarot card.
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@niveks said
"Thanks Jim for the info. So i guess the scales being Libra & the hourglass representing Saturn can be looked at Saturn exalted in Libra or is this just another symbol Harris added for the hell of it?"
Yeah, I think that whole "hourglass = Saturn because it's exalted" is a big stretch. I tend to think most of these were just artistic ornamentation - sort of "occult clip art with water colors."
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The reason i bring up the Saturn & hourglass is b/c in the book i have by Michael Snuffin he says that this is what those symbols mean. He has stated in his book that he is a ceremonial magician & intitiate of the O.T.O as well as founder of the Temple of Light & Darkness. Am i being misled here in his book?
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Probably not.
It probably just has about the same value as my own post on the matter.
Or yours, if you tell us what springs up in your intuition. But, if neither A.C. nor Harris explicitly wrote about it, then you're dealing with someone else's intuition...
That's what I'm gathering.
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I thought i would share this explanation of the Sun in Gemini it is from the grade papers of the Golden Dawn it is pretty technical but some of you may understand it.
10= A fixed & completed force.
Ashim = The souls of fire. These complete their work which is to break up, disintegrate & ruin the astral form that it may pass through the negative veils to be reborn in Kether of Assiah.
Sun = Very fiery energy, destructive unless it acts on a very solid material foundation & is modified.
Acting on Gemini the tenuous or most airy of air signs it is destructive.
Compare the deadly arrows of Apollo. Here the ideas take form, but the astral shells are broken up in Ruin by the souls of fire so that the forms may be reborn in the material world.Ok well thats from the Golden Dawn papers don't know how old it is but thought this would be interesting for everyone to see & think on.
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@niveks said
"The reason i bring up the Saturn & hourglass is b/c in the book i have by Michael Snuffin he says that this is what those symbols mean. He has stated in his book that he is a ceremonial magician & intitiate of the O.T.O as well as founder of the Temple of Light & Darkness. Am i being misled here in his book?"
OK, I outrank him <vbg>.
Seriously... He's welcome to draw whatever conclusions he wishes, but there is no reason to believe these are inherent in the intended design of the card. In fact, it seems pretty strained to me.
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@niveks said
"10= A fixed & completed force."
That's just a description of (one expression of) the function of Malkuth.
"Ashim = The souls of fire. These complete their work which is to break up, disintegrate & ruin the astral form that it may pass through the negative veils to be reborn in Kether of Assiah."
The Eshim are the Angelic Choir of Malkuth, i.e., Malkuth in Yetzirah.
The paper you are quoting views the cards as if they are manifestating downward. I see it from the opposite perspective: Having ascended the Tree to Kether in Assiah, the 10 of Swords represents the breaking through into the lowest aspect of Yetzirah, and therefore represents the collapse of the entire structure of physical form etc. (i.e., "ruin").
"Sun = Very fiery energy, destructive unless it acts on a very solid material foundation & is modified."
As good an explanation as any. (This is a more theoretically difficult card than most.) Of course, if one is moving up the planes instead of down, then the breakthrough, at this point, of something indistinguishable from sunlight is right on track.
"Acting on Gemini the tenuous or most airy of air signs it is destructive."
That doesn't match astrological theory, but it's a good an excuse as any
"Here the ideas take form, but the astral shells are broken up in Ruin by the souls of fire so that the forms may be reborn in the material world."
My real problem here is that this isn't how "birth into the material world" occurs. The real function of the Eshim in the process of incarnation is quite different.
"Ok well thats from the Golden Dawn papers don't know how old it is..."
Asa Golden Dawn paper, it must emanate from the period 1888-1900, the lifespan of the original Order.
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@niveks said
"Jim i wish then you would provide an astrological explanation explaining the Sun's energy & how it reacts in Gemini. Don't use any key words just a full out explanation."
<sigh> As I've told you previously, this isn't "Sun in Gemini." It's the solar part of Gemini, which is a different thing.
If you wanted an astrological expression of the Sun in the constellation Gemini, read this: olunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7#p17 - but it has very little to do with the 10 of Swords in Tarot. Remember (as I've said to you before), the Tarot doesn't actually express astrology; rather, it uses astrological symbols for its own purposes.
I think what you want is an explanation of what the Sun & Gemini components of the 10 of Swords means, yes? But I'm not sure what you mean by, "Don't use any key words just a full out explanation." Tarot (from a divinatory point of view) is all about key words!
Crowley held the view that Gemini pretty much dispersed everything solar about the card, but I doubt that's the case. He characterized their pairing as "the disruption and disorder of harmonious and stable energy," and I find that development fairly attractive.
But I think where you need to put your attention is on the fact that this card is the Malkuth idea in Swords - that is, in Air or Yetzirah. In a "top-down" sense it is "Air taken too far and over ripe." In a "bottom-up" since, it is the collapse into fragmented form of the sensual materiality that had reached its apex in the Ace of Disks, and the resulting breakthrough of the Golden Dawn of the inner world through the shards thereof.
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I received an off-line request to post the section on 10 of Swords from my book Liber Theta. Here it is:
RUIN
Ten of SwordsFour pairs of swords, as in the preceding symbol, with the points falling away from each other. Two further swords are crossed in the center, as though their junction had disunited the others. No rose, either flower or bud, is shown. Above and below are the symbols Sun and Gemini, representing the Decanate.
Malkuth of Air: Ruin, death, defeat, disruption; but, in spiritual matters, the end of delusion. Destruction at the end. Insubstantiality: Ideas, dreams, or plans never rendered practical.
Sun/Gemini: Undisciplined, warring forces, complete failure. Disruption, disorder, and dispersal of the Sun's harmonious and stable energy; damping down of the creative impulse; weakness, corruption, distingegration. Ruin of plans and projects; but (especially if well-dignified) with the implicit promise of some new dawn beyond the present circumstances. Disdain, insolence, and impertinence, yet mirth and hollity therewith. Loving to overthrow the happiness of others; gossip; given to much unprofitable speech, and many words. Yet clever and eloquent, according to dignity.
NOTE: The way to meditate on this card is, first, to understand it as Malkuth in Air and Malkuth in Yetzirah. Having established these ideas, then also, for the decanate, lay out Atu XIX, The Sun, and Atu VI, The Lovers (Gemini) and meditate thereon.