Who here is tired of reading Temple of Solomon the King
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@BanishingBook said
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Man I feel really exhausted on re-reading the "foundations" of Temple of Solomon the King at hermetic.com
Does anyone have any idea on how to read it? I know if I dedicate my time to it I'll come to understand it eventually but you know Crowley's style of writing isn't exactly contemporary, so it takes a lot of guesses and scavenging the dictionary till I really know what he means.
I'm only beginning to appreciate Hermetic Qaballah, but my understanding is really meager and I'm frustrated by too many "old school" ideas about it, it makes me wonder how ever I shall be practical in the future. I might see myself speaking Hebrew than getting into the hermetic business.
Any help?"
Anybody?
or can any guide me on what Crowley exactly means with:
"Now you are armed! Ask yourself: why is the influence of Tiphareth transmitted to Yesod by the Path of Samekh, a fence, 60, Sagittarius, the Archer, Art, blue—and so on; but to Hod by the Path of Ayin, an eye, 70, Capricornus, the Goat, the Devil, Indigo, K.T.L.Thirteen is the number of Achad {Hebrew option}, Unity, and Ahebah {Hebrew option}, Love; then what word should arise when you expand it by the Creative Dyad, and get 26; what when you multiply it by 4, and get 52? Then, suppose the Pentagram gets busy, 13 x 5 = 65, what then?"
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@BanishingBook said
"or can any guide me on what Crowley exactly means with:
"Now you are armed! Ask yourself: why is the influence of Tiphareth transmitted to Yesod by the Path of Samekh, a fence, 60, Sagittarius, the Archer, Art, blue—and so on; but to Hod by the Path of Ayin, an eye, 70, Capricornus, the Goat, the Devil, Indigo, K.T.L."The point isn't to have these explained - but, rather, to discern the meaning from inside-out through (1) memorization of the basic correspondences and then (2) recurring meditation on them. It is when your brain gets the knack for understanding them and their necessity that you'll get what he's going at here.
"Thirteen is the number of Achad {Hebrew option}, Unity, and Ahebah {Hebrew option}, Love; then what word should arise when you expand it by the Creative Dyad, and get 26; what when you multiply it by 4, and get 52? Then, suppose the Pentagram gets busy, 13 x 5 = 65, what then?""
OK, what's your actual question on this one?
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^ - a guide(an easier guide than the popular texts- Dion, AC, et cetera) for hermetic kaballah, I've been rummaging with book after book, after book, but I'm getting nowhere near understanding the nitty gritty.
I know Gematria, Temurah and Notariqon as mathematical work for practical occultism. But what I'm more concerned here is how to pick through the everyday phenomena and attributing it to the paths and sefirot.
Paul Foster Case's Lecture on the Neophyte suggests that I meditate on a particular Hebrew letter Aleph, for example as Ox, and obviously he mentions agriculture, goes on with tilling the soil, and the animal ox yadda. Now my concern here is, it doesn't seem to be meditating but noticing the obvious associations with every letter. It seems arbitrary and I don't know whether I'm doing it right. Is there something I've come amiss?
In the long run I would like to apply hermetic qaballah with what crowley suggest as "mapping out oneself" from Liber ABA or else I risk the imbalance of anybody starting to get their feet wet in the occult.
Yeah, obviously I need more education on the subject. Any suggestions?
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I think that noticing the associations is a meditation, and soon you will see the giant web of life. Touch a strand, and the whole web shivers.
Well, that was cryptic, and I just wrote it.
There will come a time, when each of the numbers will be so infused with meaning, that you will see meaning and patterns in everything you experience. I remember reading about quantum mechanics and realizing that the no-thing, the Ain Soph, was just that. I tied it into the sea of boundlessness that I learned about in studying the Gita. The no-thing IS the Aleph and zero. Zero is the nothingness that all somethings come from, and out of, like the womb of Saturn/Binah is a the vagina or cervix of creation.I think it's hard to say in words what I mean.
Good luck.
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Yes, I wouldn't worry much about whether you're "doing it right." This isn't a task you start and get done with - it's something you spend the rest of your life doing. The important thing at the beginning is to start to find a new way of thinking that arises out of this practice.
Remember that mindfulness is meditation, even if it seems totally self-conscious. There is a cooperation of subconscious / deep meditative aspects of mind + waking, thoughtful, self-conscious aspects of mind - and this balance works out over time. (By "time" I mean "years.")
Just pay attention and start thinking in this categorical terms.
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Hello I'm back, I would like to ask if there had been some occasions where you put Hermetic Qabalah in a non-hermetic way.
I don't mean that this limits to non-Thelemic reasons but also very mundane reasons. ( What I mean by Thelemic reasons is strictly mysticism in a Thelemic general way, we view Will differently and study the Liber Al differently.)
I've kinda got the hang of Qabalah as a schema for solving some problems in life in a philosophical manner and it's pretty easy to classify one's problem based on the ten sephiroth, I've yet to add the 22 paths to it though.
So what are your opinions and do you have experiences to share? I wish to know. This can help me understand Hermetic Qabalah much better on certain matters- I feel a bit confused about knowing when to categorize and what to categorize in terms of the 32 paths of wisdom. Meditative dilly-dallying? Yeah, seems like it.
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Well, the advice I always see is pick a key/atu and meditate on it for two weeks. Read a passage about it every day.
I don't know how to explain this next part to you. Perhaps you could say that your subconscious begins working on interpreting events from the perspective of that focused idea, and it seems as if new information comes from outside you. Perhaps you are the type to say that Life or your Higher Self will bring you the right information and experiences. There's a mystery of perception there that is difficult if not impossible to try to put into words, but it happens. You'll be surprised how related information will seem to just come to you. But it won't happen instantaneously. You have to patiently stick with one idea/atu/key for long enough.
The kind of understanding you are looking for involves (in my best estimation) new pathways being formed and/or strengthened between various areas of your brain, or sense of self, or what-have-you. More words can actually confuse the matter. It takes time, patience, and eyes that look for information coming to you in your daily experience as well as your studies.
That's all I got.
peace.
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I see Frater, do you suggest I meditate on the Thoth Deck(Atu)? I am not sure by what you mean as Atu, the first thing that came to my mind was the tarot, Rider-Waite and B.O.T.A.
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I'm more familiar with the term "keys," as the BOTA material refers to them. The Book of Thoth seems to prefer the term "Atu." Choosing between the two is not a decision I'm prepared to make for anyone else.
The heart of what I wanted to say is that it can take a while to sort of "tune in" to one of the ideas. It sounded more like you were trying to put it together all at once like a puzzle. Slower and focused on one thing at a time is more powerful in my experience.
Beyond that, I'm gonna pull back on the whole advice thing. I can probably tell you more about doing things wrong than doing them right.
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Ah no no it's fine Frater, sorry to confuse you, I have the patience to study the Atu.