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What's the real reason I perform the LBRP?

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  • T ThreeDayMonk

    I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

    It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

    Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

    So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

    Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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    FraterIgnatius
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    I've always considered the LBPR to be one of the most beautiful rituals within the hermetic system because of its complex, but subtle, elegance. Given Jim's excellent explanation of the mathematically resonant nature of the ritual, I'll jump in with another of those many reasons why practicing the LBPR is a good thing for both the neophyte and the adept, however from a psychological perspective.

    It is the first tool by which the practitioner is immersed in the act of attaining that subtle resonance with their universe that is essential to all ritual operations.

    It formulates resonance with the archangels, resonance with the cardinal directions (the four worlds, if you prefer), resonance with expressions of ein sof, and resonance of your mind and will. This ritual, at its conclusion, does little else but then focus all of these forces together at the fixed point of the practitioner, and it is within these resonances that your work is then performed.

    Quickly one comes to see the value in taking such spiritual harmony into their daily lives: it provides for one to become a greater and greater expression of love and creation in the perception of all those with whom you come in contact. It is, at the same time, one of the most simple and yet one of the most powerful expressions of Thelema.

    ... and all from one little ritual. 😄

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    • T ThreeDayMonk

      I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

      It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

      Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

      So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

      Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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      Fr Cognosco cum Lux
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      Just a note

      Cigarette packages are also made to Golden ratio. It feels good to hold them and I miss them when I brush my hand over the pocket where I kept them before I quit.

      93 93/93

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      • T ThreeDayMonk

        I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

        It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

        Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

        So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

        Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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        AliceKnewIt
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        I have read that the planet Venus traces a pentagram across the sky over a certain period. The conjunction cycle. That fascinates me.

        Here's a couple of charts of it:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Venus_pentagram.png

        www.churchofsatan.com/Graphics/News/VenusPentagram.jpg

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        • T ThreeDayMonk

          I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

          It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

          Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

          So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

          Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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          Uni_Verse
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          To take things further along this geometric train of thought...

          I have often seen the Quabalistic cross as the establishment of an axis ( of the x-y variety).

          One then revovles or rotates about this axis to create the infinite boundry of the universe ( a circle).

          Before 'finally' establishing four corners of a square demarking terrestrial boundries of a sort.

          There is also the idea of formulating a cube, but that one is still suffering from light pollution.

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          • T ThreeDayMonk

            I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

            It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

            Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

            So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

            Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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            Mephisto
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            @Jim Eshelman said

            "The pentagram is a perfect geometrical expression of the Golden Ratio. The Golden Ratiois an ancient proportion - a relationship of numbers - in which the ratio of the lesser number to the greater number is the came as the ratio of the greater number to their sum: a/b = b/(a+b)."

            First of all, thank you for such a wealth of information. I've never seen the pentagram portrayed in this light.

            Secondly, does the Golden Ratio have any bearing on celestial matters, i.e. the positions of the planets, or their rate of orbit?

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            • T ThreeDayMonk

              I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

              It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

              Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

              So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

              Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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              Jim Eshelman
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              @JPF said

              "Secondly, does the Golden Ratio have any bearing on celestial matters, i.e. the positions of the planets, or their rate of orbit?"

              I can't offhand think of an example where it does. For example, ellipses come in all varieties of eccentricity, and approximate patterns like Bode's "law" don't fall in that ratio.

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              • T ThreeDayMonk

                I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

                It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

                Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

                So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

                Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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                anistara
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                @Jim Eshelman said

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                @JPF said
                "Secondly, does the Golden Ratio have any bearing on celestial matters, i.e. the positions of the planets, or their rate of orbit?"

                I can't offhand think of an example where it does. For example, ellipses come in all varieties of eccentricity, and approximate patterns like Bode's "law" don't fall in that ratio."

                keepin' the mystery alive...

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                • T ThreeDayMonk

                  I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

                  It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

                  Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

                  So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

                  Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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                  Avshalom Binyamin
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                  There seems to be some (possibly coincidental) match between the ratios of the orbital distances, and revolution periods of the planets. And a few other things.

                  goldennumber.net/solarsys.htm

                  Certainly it's present in nature. See Adolf Zeising as an example:

                  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Zeising

                  He talked about the golden ratio as being based on the chemical structure of the underlying elements. (Which would in turn be based up the orbital fields of electrons of the underlying atoms)... talk about as above, so below...

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                  • T ThreeDayMonk

                    I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

                    It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

                    Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

                    So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

                    Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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                    Jim Eshelman
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                    That's very cool. (Especially Saturn's rings, which I should have known from looking at them all of these years.)

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                    • T ThreeDayMonk

                      I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

                      It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

                      Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

                      So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

                      Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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                      gurugeorge
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                      Thank you very much for that explanation Jim, much food for thought!

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                      • T ThreeDayMonk

                        I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

                        It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

                        Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

                        So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

                        Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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                        Alias55A
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                        wow, the links you provided are awsome 😱

                        i guess the origins of the pentagram go back farther then we think 😉

                        i love bumping into scientific findings that give our beliefs stable ground to stand on 😀

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                        • T ThreeDayMonk

                          I've been doing it pretty much solidly for the last 2-aught months, with some unexpected "results"; which has been being able to conjure up the willpower to get up and do things that I don't really want to do, but will benefit me in the long run (hopefully!)

                          It has changed my view of the word "Will", so it carries far more impact for me. When I say "I will do this", then it becomes something of an obligation to myself.

                          Otherwise, there hasn't been any illuminating moment of success after the completion of the ritual so far. It seems the act of simply making myself keep such a routine has strengthened my drive to get necessary things done. However, I'm not sure exactly why I do it or what I'm looking to get out of it, besides these little perks. I initially began the practice, not fully understanding what was to come of it, besides the supposed "equilibrating" effects it has on the psyche.

                          So, basically, I feel as if I'm doing these things blindly, not actually knowing where it should lead me and why.

                          Also, it's gotten to a point where if I try to skimp out on performing it (and practicing my Asana,) I cannot feel comfortable at all, and experience an incessant, nagging urge to get up and get it done. This couldn't be the O of the IAO formula, could it? Because I'm not really enjoying it. It feels more like a duty or an important errand. Or maybe a habit. I don't know for sure.

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                          Mephisto
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                          @AvshalomBinyamin said

                          "There seems to be some (possibly coincidental) match between the ratios of the orbital distances, and revolution periods of the planets. And a few other things.

                          goldennumber.net/solarsys.htm

                          Certainly it's present in nature. See Adolf Zeising as an example:

                          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Zeising

                          He talked about the golden ratio as being based on the chemical structure of the underlying elements. (Which would in turn be based up the orbital fields of electrons of the underlying atoms)... talk about as above, so below..."

                          Excellent! That's exactly what I was looking for. Amazing that the planetary distances correspond almost exactly to Phi.

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