Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

[Bereshith]

Look, man. I gave you enough that you should have been able to use it to explain what you actually mean even if you disagree with my semantic distinctions. You gave me, "Yuh-huh, does so."

So, I get that you're learning something that you can't really explain yet. To my mind, it would be much better if you just admitted that instead of taking condescending tones with people: "class," "children."

You simply haven't earned it. You haven't demonstrated that you can successfully articulate your thoughts to the quality of mind that gravitates here. How much less have you earned the right to chide people as "children"?

I recommend you stop. It's annoying.

[ThelemicMage]

I do not mean to be condescending at all.

However, with what I feel as something so simple as matter mutating itself and changing properties.

I believe, in reading over every post on this subject, that I have actually explained this without completely connecting the ideas from post to post.

It's just that the wheel seems to be spinning uncontrollably for those who cannot make the connection. Meditation on this, after making all the necessary connections, will have one come to the realization that this is soooo simple.

If you really wish, I will get up later today and make a map of this. Then, I will scan it and post it so you can get the idea. Then, you can put it into your own words.

I've been up for days with no caffeine or other stimulant, but the power that resides within me.

[Bereshith]

I look forward to your post.

[ThelemicMage]

First one would do well to remember that there is something incredibly huge going on with Fire in our location of universes, not just because the Tree is projected into the element of fire.

One might say that there are huger quadrants of universes, all being in a state of one element being superior to all the others, (I quote 777 as every element has to do with sorrow and the experience of sorrow, and Fire being of the noble, eight-fold path, where one is finally free of sorrow.)

You could say it cycles like the wheel, turning element into element. Ours is in Fire, as we speak and think. The correct progression of elements in this way goes from Fire, Water, Air and Earth, the same way that the Tree distinguishes elements, downwards, with I H V H.

Also one might observe the superiority of Air in our collection of Universes as well. For instance, as soon as Fire rises up and meets with air in a perfect circle in Tiphereth, you have the "perfect" celestial object as Sol. Only in Tiphereth is Air and Fire balanced in a perfect sphere. One might note that Raphael, archangel of the sacred Air, presides over this Sephira.

One might also note the superiority of Air by noticing that Hod, the sephira of elemental Air, has Michael, the "leader" of the heavenly team, (and the strongest archangel because of Fire and Air, note his name is the prevalent archangel name used in serious evocation.)

In this way, is another progression of the elements on another scale, a bigger scale, that flow in the exact way of the wheel of the zodiac, going from Fire, Earth, Air and Water. One could call this the "Grand Zodiac", in which all other wheels are tuned into it's clockwork. Wheels within wheels.

It's kind of like having two Aeonic changes going on all the time, as with Isis/Osiris/Horus/Hrumachis, going on at the same time as the progression of the Aeons of the zodiac, but I wouldn't stress that closeness, only a way to think about it. In this Aeonic progression, we are in the element of Air, the only counterpart Fire could live and breathe with in these contexts.

This superiority of Air can be viewed as RHK being superior to the other three "devils" or "hadits" of our Universe, our dear lady Apophis of the waters, our fiery Set, and the protective Earth god Besz, RHK being of the element of Air.

You can see this mapped out on the tree of life. The obvious Chokmah, Fire, being superior in it's own right as the first manifestation of thought outside of the Tao, even though it was too intense and needed to be balanced to continue the raining-down of the Tao with Binah.

You can see the other Aeonic changes mapped out on the Tree as well, as simple as observing I (Fire), H (Water), V (Air), and H final (Earth.)

Let me gather myself a bit more and meditate on how I should continue to explain this. If you could please, bear with me, and not have to take these all literally if you don't wish, as no one should take anything literally at all since all is illusion, (however all is not the enemy of truth, gentle youth.)

Edit I am currently working on a write-up with a visual. Give me a little time, I'm learning much more about my current work as I try to put this in explainable terms.

[Tinman]

ThelemicMage: it's posts like your last one, and the use of the phrase "gentle youth" that make you come off as a condescending megalomaniac. You may think it's cheeky - it's not. Crowley gets away with it because he's earned it - you haven't.

EDIT: This sounds way too harsh upon re-reading, ESPECIALLY after reading Uni_Verse's poem which I like very much. I've mixed and continue to mix, my fair share of "the Old Man, Red Lion and Youth"... and it's often a heady brew...

[Uni_Verse]

I thought he was just trying to rhyme with "truth" o.O
And mixing the Old Man, Red Lion and Youth

[Bereshith]

@ThelemicMage:

These links may provide you with some ideas for communicating your thoughts:

www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=6153

www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=321

Also, try to get some sleep at some point.

[ThelemicMage]

@Tinman said

"ThelemicMage: it's posts like your last one, and the use of the phrase "gentle youth" that make you come off as a condescending megalomaniac. You may think it's cheeky - it's not. Crowley gets away with it because he's earned it - you haven't.

EDIT: This sounds way too harsh upon re-reading, ESPECIALLY after reading Uni_Verse's poem which I like very much. I've mixed and continue to mix, my fair share of "the Old Man, Red Lion and Youth"... and it's often a heady brew..."

That quote IS Crowley, from Knox om Pax, Essays in Light. The Devil's conversion, specifically. The Devil is talking to the Stoney Sphinx.

[And now the Devil strides and spins
Most furiously widdershins,
He causes two deceitful moons
To dance upon the driving dunes.
“If all’s illusion, gentle youth,
All is the enemy of Truth.
Where are you now?” “My worthy friend!”

(I answered) “take it to the end.
I do not think you prove it quite
That truth and lies are opposite.
But upon This we can agree:
There is none other God than He.”

He wrote in flame upon the grass
“This person is a perfect ass.”
He vanished in a cloud of musk.
He sent the demons of the dusk
To ramp and rage about the links
To tease me—Me, the stony Sphinx!
I smiled; I bent them to my will;
I set them dancing deosil,
And singing with seraphic glee
“There is none other God than He.”]

I was making a reference to illusion, and to this poem.

[Tinman]

I've been schooled again

But you can see how it sounds when you say it at the end of your post and one doesn't know it's origin; or even when one does

[Uni_Verse]

Ah! This has reminded me that there are still works by Crowley which I have not read.

Knox Om Pax is one of them, so I did not get the reference.

I also thought of an old habit where I pronounced "KNOX" as "NOX."

Leading me perhaps to create a new topic to discuss a notion...

[Bereshith]

[Tagging out of the conversation]