The Masses vs The Individual..[dialectic]
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The Masses
A;Who are "the Masses"??
B;The Masses are Everybody
A;the Masses are not Everybody
B; What do you mean "The Masses" are not "Everybody"?
A;Are none exempt from the fate of "The Masses"?
B; Surely, Some exalted ones are Exempt.
A; Can A Single Entity have two fates in the same Time-Line?
B; Surely a single Entity has but one fate,
A;Then "the Masses" is distinguished from "Everybody"
B; Who are then "The Masses" you tell me?
A; "The Masses" is a non-personal idea
B; What do you mean "The Masses" is an idea
A; It is an idea because it has no specific physical territory, it is a second degree simulacrum.
B; Why must you use this type of language? it is confusing
A; I could have said "There is not any specific group of people in any specific location at any specific time that can be positively identified as "the Masses" exclusive to any other specific group at that time, which is simply a longer way of expressing the former ; "The Masses" is conceived as a weapon against individuality, it is a de-personalizing idea if you buy into it, and allow it to assimilate you Mentally, Spiritually, and Physically. It is a Blasphemy against the Natural law of Thelema "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"
C; What is this Law of Thelema of which you Speak? i perceive you are a Marxist! Tell me now, does this "Law of Thelema" have anything to do with Communism?
A;This man Marx of whom you speak was no doubt a great genius, but since you have bought into the "Cold-war" idea that Communism is "The Enemy" you will not give the man a chance.
This "Law of Thelema" implies that each should be judged by its own merits and not by history or associations
C; What the hell are you talking about?"History or associations" who do you think you are? Shakespeare or what.
A; What i mean to say is there is no way of artificially grouping individuals other than the Natural way in which they associate and interact with one another, The Law of Thelema politically extrapolates to the fact that if each man where to know himself, his interaction or non-interaction with other individuals would be organic and harmonious with Nature and groupings would be Natural and not contrived by imaginary parameters."History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." Karl Marx
C; How do you know so much about this Marx guy if you are not a communist,
A; I am student of social science; its construction and deconstruction particularly how the process relates to the individual, Capitalism is not a religion for me, nor even Democracy, simply more ideas, one must study people who have impacted the world with their ideas. one can even learn from one''s enemy.
B; i think i am beginning to understand the way you talk now, you are simply a compulsively excessively complex individual for the sake of complexity ,that thinks he impresses people with an outdated prose style; we will call you Shakespeare ,ha ha[Mocking]
A;Mockery of Superior argument is a cowards defense mechanism, an obvious Manifestation of denial, either learn some subtlety and be less obvious, or continue to laugh and mock yourself if you want, it makes me no difference, this man Marx himself was quoted as saying "I am not a Marxist" another quote of his "Necessity is blind until it becomes conscious. Freedom is the consciousness of necessity" is a favourite of mine.
Communism may not have lasted long but its career was illustrious and where it failed was not so much in the Theory but in the practical. From the horses mouth .... "only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." this is not at all at odds with the law of Thelema but consistent with it.
C; like i said, A Communist, we will not give audience to your types around here.
A; But Why? on account of a label that you give me? A clutching at straws in the wind! do not fear the unknown!
but boldly embrace it! to quote Machiavelli "Fortune favors the bold" , this man Marx tells the truth;"Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks"
"Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology, and the combining together of various processes into a social whole, only by sapping the original sources of all wealth - the soil and the labourer".
to be continued..
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Honestly, your dialectic would be much more interesting and effective if you wrote your opposition to be a little less idiotic. It's not difficult to build straw men and sand castles to beat down with a stick.
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@Bryan said
"Honestly, your dialectic would be much more interesting and effective if you wrote your opposition to be a little less idiotic. It's not difficult to build straw men and sand castles to beat down with a stick."
This is an improvisation, spontaneous writing written in less than 5 mins, i thought i did pretty good, i am merely having fun my dear friend, everything above is subject to edit, this is practical voyeurism allowing everyone bear witness to my creative process I do not even know how this dialectic will end myself. although sometimes i do feel I am l misunderstood and these simpleminded "straw men' by way of exaggeration did enable me to highlight that.
I actually did think of it myself also so don't be surprised if the next characters are endowed with some intelligence as we proceed, so point taken. 