unexpected inconsistency in LBRP results

Corvinae

"My physical vibration doesn't usually do much for me, although I notice it is even less effective if I don't vibrate anything (these are, of course, just relative). When I "vibrate" in a purely mental sense, it seems to be much more effective"

I have seen some very interesting expierements in which human were to perform a task, usually sports related, but other things too like playing a musical instrument. Now some of the people did the task only in the mind, and as they did the task over and over it was shown how a certain part of the brain grew and strenghtened. (synaspse that fire together wire together). Some people did the task in thier mind, and also did it IRL . Then some people only did the task IRL, with out performing the task mentally. The people who did the task mentally and physically not only had the mental strenght (the brain matter that was wired and worn) but the muscles. And dare I say that the results of someone doing these tasks that was inaccordance to thier will would be phenomenial (but most likely not regconizable to science).

When we are learning something new it appears as if doing it both ways at first is the most effectient way to maximize your growth and mastery. As one becomes adept in a task, it takes less energy to maintain proficiancy, and as our behaviors become entrained with other behaviors, going through the motions becomes innate.

Uni_Verse

It is easier to imagine yourself doing something correctly in your head than it is to do it correctly.

Corvinae

life is supposed to be easy???

When it is something new , there is no frame of reference.
ie Being a parent is more then I could have ever possibly imagined.

I have done mental gymnastics, in my dreams too, where I am performing atheletic feats on the uneven bars. It wouldnt have been possible if I had not gymnastics in real life. The physcial sensations one expierences while twirling around a pole are under most conditions impossible to know unless one has done it.
They are completely unique to the expierence, the participant and the observer.

"An idea that is developed and put into action is more important then an idea that exists only as an idea"
~Siddhartha

Mike

Thank you all.

It's frustrating to practice without a clear idea of what would distinguish a "successful" performance of the LBRP from an "unsuccessful" one.
I have read various generalities about it and have experienced the sensations that I listed in my initial post, but I feel like I'm splitting hairs, i.e. there is rarely a "profound" effect. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is to be expected.

"I performed the LBRP and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" or something

The main effects I get from the performance aside from inconsistent mental and emotional effects are something to the effect of 1. being a "mental/spiritual enema," usually resulting in my eventual dealing with various issues that seem to come up after the performance, and 2. "clearing junk" out of myself and my ritual space - I think this is distinct from point 1. I have noticed that (non-sexual) experiences with other individuals in my ritual space (aka my bedroom) seem to go "smoother" and it feels a lot more comfortable and relaxed than when I don't perform it beforehand. It could just be me being more comfortable, but it seems to be at least partially my room as well, due to effect occurences (all of which, again, are frustratingly difficult to pin down).

I feel "noobish" with these kinds of posts but, hey, I am a noob when it comes to magick Thank y'all again for your patience.

Mike

@Uni_Verse said

"It is easier to imagine yourself doing something correctly in your head than it is to do it correctly."

FWIW, I actually have extreme difficulty "imagining" myself doing most things "correctly." A "well-executed mental performance/run through" of the LBRP is, to me, a feat worth mentioning.

In no way do I disagree with you, although I hesitantly put forward the idea that "correctly imagining" something is also a type of performance.

Uni_Verse

@Veronica said

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life is supposed to be easy???
"

Yes.

@Ash said

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In no way do I disagree with you, although I hesitantly put forward the idea that "correctly imagining" something is also a type of performance.
"

It certainly is a type of performance.

My suggestion would still be to perform it regularly both physically and mentally. In the long run you will benefit greatly, if only to cease being distracted by the physical movements.

Corvinae

Veronica wrote:
life is supposed to be easy???

Uni_Verse replied
Yes.

Oh dear, oh dear
boy have I got it backward

so, you mean to tell me
that all those super hard things that I have done,
standing tall in the face of an assultant 2x bigger then me,
not doing something for my child-and letting him fail,
burying my dead
birthing my babes
stripping myself of false masks and illusions

all of those choices I have made

it is supposed to be easy?

ah that makes me feel so much better
it strips me of responsiblity
and tells me that if something is hard
something is challenging
then I dont have to do it
cause life is easy.

Ash stated
"there is rarely a "profound" effect. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is to be expected.

"I performed the LBRP and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" or something "

lol-that is funny

When a person first starts a diet or excersize program they often time see little benefit right away. But if you check in with that person in a year after dedication, you will be able to see profound results.

IMO doing anything, even if it is only in your mind is better then not doing anything. The obsticles and challenges we face, while not IME easy, they can be fun, if seen positively.

A boulder on the path of an adult looks like a hard obsticle, but through the eyes of youth it is seen as a jungle gym to climb and explore......

My deva Julie Andrews taught me that lesson....."Just a spoonfull of sugar, and the medicine goes down..."

Uni_Verse

@Veronica said

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it is supposed to be easy?
"

Yes.

Let me clarify:
Your question is : "It is suppose to be easy?"
It, I assume, being 'life.'
My answer is : "Yes."
As in, "Yes, it is suppose to be easy."
My answer should not be confused with the statement "Yes, it is easy."
Which appears to be how you are interpreting my reply.

Mike

@Uni_Verse said

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@Veronica said
"
it is supposed to be easy?
"

Yes.

Let me clarify:
Your question is : "It is suppose to be easy?"
It, I assume, being 'life.'
My answer is : "Yes."
As in, "Yes, it is suppose to be easy."
My answer should not be confused with the statement "Yes, it is easy."
Which appears to be how you are interpreting my reply."

Can you explain what you mean by "supposed to be"? I'm confused here myself.

Mephisto

Learn to maintain that silence in action. 'Tis the secret of all Magick.

Corvinae

Dear Uni_Verse

When I read you first statement
"It is easier to imagine yourself doing something correctly in your head than it is to do it correctly"

it reminded me of, in many ways, todays ecomonic and spiritual existances of people. It is easier to just play in your head, to think of what you would do, could do. To often though it seems as if people do not have the courage, or the will to actually get out of the arm chair, out of theory, out of fantasyfootball and LIVE. I live in a town where there are lots of jobs, not glamous jobs, not deep jobs, but work and things that need to be done, YET I know personally of at least 4 young white males, who will not take these positions for they believe that they are too good for them, that the work is wothless, AND that they would rather sit on thier bums and collect welfare. Now I may be way off in where I went with your origianl staement, but well thats where I went.

So while I agree with your statement that it is easier, to think then to act : it invoked in me a question that I have confronted many people with "Life is supposed to be easy??" I guess in reality the proper way to word the question would be, Is life supposed to be easy? It seems as if this ecomonic and spiritual environment has created a horde of people who has a deep resentment, and a huge sence of entitlement. I dont like that, to me that is a dangerous mindest to hold.

Now in retrospect I think the examples I gave of hard issues in life are not all aspects of life, but some as aspects of transition (ie death and birth, while being a component of life are actually transitions, beween life-but still).

In theory, in a perfect world, in Nirvana, or heaven ,yada yada, life may be easy. In this fantasy world I may be so in alignment, so entrained, so harmonic with the universal life force, with the angels and demons and gods and goddess that my life will seem like a walk in the park but I am not there today and most all of my fellows peoples here on Earth are not there.

I truelly am glad that some can see that life is supposed to be easy, it gives others hope and faith.

I do believe though that as long as we live on a planet that has inconsistant weather patterns, limited resources, and "energies" that do not have mankinds best interest at heart.....life will not be what it is supposed to be, and I dont mean to excuse my emotions but I do get miffed by the troubles I see my kin suffering. While I do understand the concept of creation, and that my life is my own making, by my choice of perception, it is a very difficult existance to maintain while being a part of creation. I could easily go and be a wild woman in the woods and live an easier life on my own, but that is not why I am here.

In the womens mysteries we are taught how messy, and smelly, and rotten, and inconsistant existance is. I do believe that each one of us has choosen this existance to be incarnated, knowing it is a bed of roses, and with those roses come thorns.

I greatly appreciate you taking the time to clarify yourself, and I hope you take my words in kindness as they as intended. I do love life, and this beautiful world I find myself in, and while I dont see my existance as easy I welcome each day knowing that the possiblities are endless and that someday this sort of existance will seem arcahic and primitive.

in Love always

Uni_Verse

@Ash said

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Can you explain what you mean by "supposed to be"? I'm confused here myself.
"

Veronicas previous post gives some good examples as to why life is not easy when it should be.
People are resentful, possess a sense of entitlement - essentially, they have expectations.
It is these expectations that turn a life that is suppose to be easy into one that is difficult.
People stop living and begin to ask "Why is life not they way I imagined it to be?"
Instead of going out there and creating the life they desire.

Yet, even people who go out and create the life they desire can fall prey to their expectations, which in the end are merely projections of our ego and not a reflection of who we are

Does that help or merely add to the confusion?

Mike

Both your posts help, but I guess I was thinking along the lines of - if every action is necessary and Willed from the start, then what does the phrase "supposed to be" mean? Even false senses of entitlement, expectation, etc. are presumably Willed from the start (correct me if I'm wrong).

I think in this sense, "easy" and "hard" would both be unnecessary (though possibly useful) projections onto what actually is.