The sacred slave/prostitute Kedeshah
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Temple prostitutes have been around for a long time... These women (maybe men too?) would prositute themselves in front of the "temple" (whichever one may be relevant) and taken men before she married as the "god" frowned upon managomy...
not to be crude here but the term F U C K means Fornication Under Consent of the King ... before you would be married he would sample your wife...
this seems to be two tellings of the same story...
Mary Magdeline was a sacred prostitute, as was Romulous and Remus's mother in the Roman Mythology...Vestia Virgins...
Well i've just been reading up on Jezabel who i beleive was a sacred prostitute, and come across that King Soloman had 700 wives and 300 concubines (from nations that the Mizvot forbid intermarriage with. )
Does anybody else know anything about them?
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i have vague notions and strong ones too but need more puzzle peices first lol
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look up f*ck on wikipedia...your etymology is incorrect.
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actually,everyone favourite four letter word has a couple of "offical" uses,and i'm certain plenty more not so official lol.
fornication under (the) consent (of the) king is in fact one of its earliest usable sources,although i'm not exactly certain many people of the times it was used abbreviated it quite the way we might
for unlawful carnal knowledge (in addition to being a fine van halen album lol) is another well overused abbreviation,and as best i can find,is origionally a military term,although for some reason,my gut instinct tells me this might not be exactly true,although i'm also aware of whats been explained to me as "nam" era terms such as fugazi and snafu,so this does seem a likely fit in accordance.
all words have certain magickal abilities attached in my opinion,and the ones who offend the most people tend to be my personal favourites lol,i wouldnt call it exactly "high magick",but there is a lovely feeling sometimes in pointing certain ones at people giving grief,as i'm sure there isnt one of us who wouldnt like to toss it (mixed with a few choice embellishments lol) at that landlord/boss/ex lover or that guy at work everyone wants to strangle.
besides all that fun stuff,the concept of "the holy whore" is something i'm doing more looking into,and find it mind shattering at some of the things one finds when typing it into google.
now,i dont suppose anyone knows of any good porn sites where theres buxom young nuns speaking unbelievable blasphemies?...lol...uh,.but...nevermind lmao
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just a quick note in addition,as i've forgotten to mention my key source lol
some years ago,while still living in canada,a good friend of mine was hired to update church records to pc files,some dating back to the early 1700's,some having been brought from merry olde england upon the colonization process that pretty much created our "beloved(yeah) nation"
on a good pile of these yellowed and not very well looked after documents,the phrase "fornication under the consent of the king" was indeed written,usually about three to four weeks before a wedding took place.
i'll also add that the man who hired my friend for this task made damned sure this particular phrase was NOT added in the new updated files,for what i consdier to be fairly obvious reasons.
i'm not saying wikipedia is usually wrong by any means,but i think its far from the be all end all of information,as there are many times i'm personally left wondering "now what jackass put this one in?..." lol
an interesting sidenote (to me anyway),also in these church record updates,there seemed to be an awfully high number of times the church itself had burned down,yet,these records didnt end up ashes,although mention was made of "the collection of forbidden to the public" works of poetry and art,and books of an "ungodly" nature.
now,who got a time machine and would like to help me figure out what was in THAT collection!
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@izzy_suicide said
"just a quick note in addition,as i've forgotten to mention my key source lol
some years ago,while still living in canada,a good friend of mine was hired to update church records to pc files,some dating back to the early 1700's,some having been brought from merry olde england upon the colonization process that pretty much created our "beloved(yeah) nation"
on a good pile of these yellowed and not very well looked after documents,the phrase "fornication under the consent of the king" was indeed written,usually about three to four weeks before a wedding took place.
i'll also add that the man who hired my friend for this task made damned sure this particular phrase was NOT added in the new updated files,for what i consdier to be fairly obvious reasons.
i'm not saying wikipedia is usually wrong by any means,but i think its far from the be all end all of information,as there are many times i'm personally left wondering "now what jackass put this one in?..." lol
an interesting sidenote (to me anyway),also in these church record updates,there seemed to be an awfully high number of times the church itself had burned down,yet,these records didnt end up ashes,although mention was made of "the collection of forbidden to the public" works of poetry and art,and books of an "ungodly" nature.
now,who got a time machine and would like to help me figure out what was in THAT collection!"
Of course, we have to ask if we can trust your friend or your friend's memory. I tend to trust Snopes.com.
I can't post the link becuzz it contains a dirty word, so here it is in an edited format
www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/f-u-c-k.a
take the hyphens out of the dirty word and there's the research.
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my old friend does have them shifty eyes lol,but i did read the papers myself,and although i wouldnt put it passed the churches i grew up being blacklisted by to have slipped in untruths and downright lies,i also have no way of knowing how many times these documents had been re-written over the years and changed to suit the day's agenda.
it isnt so much that i dont trust online sources like wikipedia or snopes,but a good deal of the information they provide is from the average person,who again,we cant be sure is trustworthy (i point the huge accusing finger of iblis at "the smoking gun"...more bulldookie than a dairy farmer can shovel with a tenfold crew of backhoes)
also,the for unlawful carnal knowledge quote i take from a family member who spent 25 years in the canadian military,again,upon reflection,i cant say 100% his word is gold,but considering he's never been proven false in any other matter i've known of(despite being kind of a donkey-hole,pardon my childish nature lol).
the concept though of a holy whore,or sacred prostitute is one that i'm looking into more and more,as at a glance names like "mary magdalene" and "lilith" keep cropping up,pixie found some hindu and middle eastern (forgive my lack of proper wording,late nights catching up with the old brain today) uses.
makes me wonder if this is why the sex industry is frowned upon by so many so heavily in todays society,in a roundabout way
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Yes. We did get side tracked there (for f.u.c.k.'s sake). Otherwise I have no additional information to discuss your original topic. Without the concept of the King's permission thing you brought up, it still stands ipso facto that temple prostitutes where once a kind of norm. The real intent of your original post seems to be to request more information about Solomon's many wives. Or was your intent to find more research about temple prostitutes?
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about the temple prostitues lol
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since solomon was mentioned,i'll toss this out in the middle and see what happens lol.
i watched one of those "history chanel" documentaries(i know,i'm boring,i prefer documentaries to hollywood...but i cannot stand another die hard film) where they posed the theory that solomon was actually a collective of "magicians" as opposed to a single person.since i have only minimal knowledge of solomon (the cliff notes basically lol),is that anything one should consider as important?...
either way though...big temple....bossing demons around...kingdom chock full of buxom holy whores....ahhh...to be so lucky lol
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The Solomon that was king of a Hebrew nation, son of David, considered the wisest on earth - I would say was most likely a single man. The Solomon whom all the magickal grimoires are attributed to is not this same man and most likely is more than one man.
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As i'm on here taking a break from finding out about these lol...
From what i can make out, the reason for harems is for each woman to be the embodiment of a diety (or a lover who encompassed all but NOT the wife) that there was to be no mundane communication or knowledge of this woman other than as the embodiment of a goddess, and the owner would go to each embodiment physcially as he would the mind or in prayer. The reason for a mistress is for the Adulterous "feel" of the encounterment. The energy from an illicit love affair is meant to be very potent. (Artharian Legends depict the love affairs with other men's wives to be the driving force of motivation for the Hero...The women also represent diety)
Whilst i would agree with this under minimal experience (too classy to have ever cheated grins) and minimal familiarity with artharian legends, i probably know the least, in fact i dont even "get" the whole holy grail thing 100% despite me asking Izzy to explain it to me yet again every so often with no avail! lol.. but under the "notion" of Chivalry this does explain why women were held in so high reguard then, but not so much anywhere else in history, and history doesnt even show much evidence of a time of chivalry... however many a historical romance reckons there was LOL ... ahhh the whimsical world of fiction...
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@pixie_pseuicide said
"Mary Magdeline was a sacred prostitute"
Just FYI, Mary was not a prostitute. Pope Gregory the Great combined her and several other women in the bible into one person, thus Mary became the prostitute whom the Christ met.
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the solomon of the bible i have slightly better knowledge of than the solomon of the grimoires,through some research into "jesus as a political figure" theories i'ld heard of. it does make more sense to me that the two be different from each other.
now mary magdalene is another name i've found to lead in a few directions,as theres so many conflicting opinions. i know that theres one school of thought which makes her a former prostitute who went on to become jesus's wife,but,and not to sound disrespectful to anyones opinion,but there were a lot of mary's as best i can understand during that time frame,and maybe only jesus himself knew who was who.
in my way of thinking,the terms slave and or prostitute "could" be taken for actually meaning "sexually uninhibited",and i believe its fair to say that even now,a woman who's sexually uninhibited frightens a good portion of people,and draws disdain from a good many more,having said that...i know a good handfull of people who worship at the alter of jenna jamieson,and i dont just mean staring at her videos.
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I'm in the begining early stages of looking into this path ysee so you'll have to forgive me for expressing myself a bit lazilly.. These women i depicted have been portrayed (in one avenue of thought at least) in the rather fanciful light of sacred sexuality. I mean no disrespect in lumping them together or for now mislabling them (though i do appreciate the direction on where i'm not doing myself favours in getting my point across lol..i dont worry so much as making mistakes because then i'll know they are mistakes..if you catch my way of thinking lol) (lord i ramble)
I loved the story of soloman (In that yellowed covered JW childrens bible lol
) Two women coming to him who both laid claim to a baby and his responce was to order the baby be chopped in half and each women have half each... the baby's true mother cried out "No let her have the baby just dont chop him in half"....and then He knew which woman was the true mother....paraphrasing obviously lolol but it was always my favourite -
Your etymological claims are still bullsh!t:
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dude it was addressed where i'd got it from and where Izzy had, its not even the basis of the thread (sacred slave/prostitute and Kedeshah) which i obviously have not managed to make clear.
(What i know so far)
Temple prostitutes have been around for a long time... These women would prositute themselves in front of the Temple of Aphrodite (But have read other instances with other deities) at least once in thier lives and have sex with a stranger, before marraige. The Consenseous of the time is that that god frowned upon manogomy. (Hera was used also)
Other tidbits i've found that relate are far and few between
Mary Magdeline has been researched by some to have been a Sacred Prostitute
Romulous and Remus's Mother was a Vestia Virgin
Jezabel i THOUGHT had been coined a sacred whore but i was mistaken
Soloman's collection of wives and concubines peaked my interest as much has been written on how he did things, and may have in some text somewhere written soley about the purposes and what he beleived it brought him.What else do you know of Sacred Slaves, Sacred Prositutes or Kedeshah.
Maybe the re-write was in order
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What is Kedeshah? I googled it and it doesn't say anything about prostitution or slavery.
Kedushah (Hebrew, holiness) in Judaism, this term means set apart through holiness.
www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/k/kedushah.htmlThe Kedushah or Q'dushah (Hebrew: ק××ש×â) is traditionally the third section of all Amidah recitations
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Same root - QDS - meaning "set aside, consecrated"
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@AvshalomBinyamin said
"Same root - QDS - meaning "set aside, consecrated"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution"
Thank you.