Thoughts on Thelemic Government
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Slaves being exposed as slaves!
Hopefully more of this will happen this decade
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@pile_of_graemle said
"Slaves being exposed as slaves!
Hopefully more of this will happen this decade"It is obvious that you have not understood anything about Thelema.
The only thing not 100% obvious is, do you believe all this stuff or are you just trolling?
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An excerpt from The Stellar Man!
"Aristotle defined a slave as an "animated malleable instrument." This terrifying
description has never been more true than it is today, if applied to human
beings in general. The individual is merely an appendage and a sounding board
for the species. Homo sapiens is the same as other animal species: he has a
collective soul which regulates and directs the evolution of the human race. The
collective soul produces the migration of the birds, regulates reproduction,
directs different changes and adaptations, brings about periods of mating, and
in general, directs the instinctive behavior of the beasts. As he belongs to the
animal kingdom, sapiens is not free from this directing force which in effect
controls, directs, supervises, and regulates the species, acting as a common
brain, which stifles individual thought.
This common soul has been called the "collective unconscious" by Jung.
He did not talk of an "animal soul" but he
certainly possessed this knowledge.** This "collective unconscious" is in truth
the animal soul of sapiens.**" Emphasis mine!
That is, the beast mind!This sure explains alot! Imagine linking all these ideas that supposedly came into being at the same time! Could this in fact be the akashic record, which the Theosophists and the New ager/Hindus brag about so much! makes a bit more sense than them claiming a link to the monad thats for sure!!"The mere fact of understanding, accepting, and
comprehending the significance of this subject means visualizing the most
important foundation of sapiens' life, because the bestial impulse acts as the basic motive of its actions.'Such as in the video which has been removed for some reason!!
change in the collective soul means ???? Do they even know!!Again
" Hermetic philosophy maintains that there can be no true spiritual and
moral progress if man does not cut the umbilical cord which ties him to the
central computer of the species, which nourishes "bestial" characteristics.
This notable and unique event is far-reaching and irreversible, and it takes
place in the heart of true Hermetic schools. Other schools do not in any way
deal with the animal soul of the student, and are limited to only transmitting certain teachings, which doubtlessly, will be used to further bestialize his
intelligence.
The bestialization of intelligence is a common phenomenon in this age.
The more intelligent an individual is, the more powerful his beast will be,
and the beast will use this intellect to satisfy its own instincts, without any
concern for anything else."So when blind bestial sapiens in the role of the "public intellectual" or "religious leader" or "conciousness expert" goes off to Burning Man or speaks in front of the UN or GOOGLE or TED among others and promising changes in the collective unconscious, again not knowing the occult truth of these fact but only a perverse materialist reflection (Saklas, thou art in error!!!), people talking of Overmind's they know nothing of must be recognized as dangerous?! Should these folk really not be taken into asylums or killed, if indeed they reflect an unknown idea of the collective soul, some deiurgic idea, but are in fact blind! As long as they whore around enouigh, they can find some wealthy NEW AGE WIDOW from New York or California all of a sudden this random idea is spoken about as a "SPRITIRUAL TRUTH" for all the bestial men to cloud! Men with gnosis shall surpass the anyway so let not their departure be delayed!!!
LEt us assail these beasts with the hordes of choronzon!!! In light of this knowledge I do believe we can surely declare them pyschopaths, lunatic (luna- moon- the false light)!
I elieve if one is truly serious aabout ccreating a thelemic world order, these types have to excluded form the decision making process! I elievve it will havve to e totally post larval and free from ALL The minutae influence of the previous! Many of us already have some idea of what this might entail so I shall not mention that here!!
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Because of the great diversity of people who live on this planet, and some are just passing through, some leaving some coming.
It will take a lot of water under the bridge, before the establishment of sam order is possible. And that's all about what the government actually is.
At least what they(the governments) give us to know.93
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@danica said
"I see a tendency among some here to view the Government as something outside which essentially acts as an enemy to personal freedom.
do you govern yourself, individual? if so, than no outside government is an enemy or a threat."
Depends of the context. I don´t know exactly what are you referring to, but well, in an ideal world, ok, no government and lollipops for everybody. But in the world of today, what you say sounds pretty vain and cliche, and it´s inevitably that it leaves you aside of that same governments, who precisely wants you to pray the same God who is fuking humanity, and drop off your individuality and join to the most non-dangerous crowd mentality of apolitical people. And have a political position doesn´t really mean to play with the rules that they bring us, choosing A, B, or even C, and discuss over them, but to learn to think for oneself and be aware of the dynamics of dirty power presents everywhere, and what to do with them from your most deep convictions.
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Government, at this point in time, seems to exist as people are too lazy to govern themselves.
There seems to be an entire culture of "passing the blame" on to someone else.
If is all way something "outside" which they are "helpless" against that is destroying them.So, I entirely agree with Danica (if I am reading properly):
When people begin to govern themselves, government as an institution will no longer be required.I have all ways kind of avoided these "Thelemic Government" thread, as essentially what I would seek to create is a utopian spiritual oligarchy.
Where in theory, each person in government would be required to sacrifice their ego, parts of their Self, in order to become an embodiment of the people they govern (kind of how it is suppose to happen anyway).
"Stan" ceases to be "Stan" and transmutes him self into "Texas" or "England" what have you...Power is nothing more than the shadow of responsibility.
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Government isn't just about enforcing behaviors. It's also about cooperating, and taking advantages of economies of scale, so we can use our resources more efficiently.
I would expect that as we mature, and need less behavior enforcement, we'll increasingly rely on government bureaucracy.
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@Uni_Verse said
"Government, at this point in time, seems to exist as people are too lazy to govern themselves.
There seems to be an entire culture of "passing the blame" on to someone else.
If is all way something "outside" which they are "helpless" against that is destroying them.So, I entirely agree with Danica (if I am reading properly):
When people begin to govern themselves, government as an institution will no longer be required.I have all ways kind of avoided these "Thelemic Government" thread, as essentially what I would seek to create is a utopian spiritual oligarchy.
Where in theory, each person in government would be required to sacrifice their ego, parts of their Self, in order to become an embodiment of the people they govern (kind of how it is suppose to happen anyway).
"Stan" ceases to be "Stan" and transmutes him self into "Texas" or "England" what have you...Power is nothing more than the shadow of responsibility."
Again, I suppose you are talking hypotethically, about an ideal or utopian world, because if you are talking about the actual world, kid, I don´t know in what world you live, you have must lived in a bubble or something all your life.
"Laziness", good theory, the people who daily would have to go to the street and burn it, they doesn´t do it because of "laziness". I totally agree, because they have very good reasons for to do such thing.
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Basically everyone is his own master. If someone gets sick and tired of everything one can easily leave his body.
Look life of Gandhi as an example. He has won one pretty big government at that time.
In his later years he often slept through the night,
with lots of young women but not for sex, but the energy that eluded him in those years.
This brings the issue of sex in the new government, I believe.And basically the government is our true enemy, if they put me in jail, for example,because I have not paid taxes.
Despite the fact that simultaneously is our friend too,in some circumstances.Thelemic government would be the same one, only instead of politicians
comes Thelema as a way of governance.
Basically we already have partialy such government.No one has to be initiated into the OTO or similar ranks to become the Telemit. Just should be followed by true beliefs.In Magic the shadow is latently dangerous place.
Thelema along with freedom also brings other elements.But I, like many others have nothing to do with any government directly,
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What a great film is The Wicker Man, for fucks sake. I just thought that it would fit great in the thread, as a sort of example of pagan or somewhat modern utopy, not exactly thelemic, but similar somehow.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDLi4v8evJM
By the way, when we will could see a movie about the Abadie of Thelema? It would be time for a decent Crowley cinema adaptation or biopic, the most references parts I´ve seen are pure bullshit.
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Wicker Man isn't a utopia. I mean, the poor guy. Sure, he is an outsider and everything, but still, the idea of sacrificing him doesn't make a lot of sense. Basically, the entire perception of Thelema to outsiders that it is based on the idea that its like wicker man, except maybe with women rather than men (or perhaps someone of either gender)
Most people don't believe in magick, but they do believe in mundane things like human sacrifices. So, the whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense when filtered through that perception. I mean, the ancient Egyptians sacrificed people when the Pharaoh died. We should not over look that.
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I don´t meant exactly to the sacrifice, but the life on the island the cop is seeing along the movie, etc. It isn´t an utopia, clearly, in fact most of the things are taken from european pagan traditions still alive in that moment, but the idea of the island like an independent place with his own laws and so on fits with that idea. The sacrifice thing it´s the only thing that turns things to the superstition and makes you questioning all you have seen, until that moment, all ok.
The recent movie The Cabin in the Woods touch the theme of the sacrifice very well too, making a relationship between old aeonic sacrifice and governamental control over the mankind. Very similar to the end of The Wicker Man in some sense, with sacrifices and suffering and complex rituals (as victims do it by their "own choice") to appease the wrath of the Ancient Gods and so on, with the excuse of "to save mankind".
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I was thinking that the similarities between The Wicker Man and THe Cabin in the Woods could be more than the most evidents of the sacrifice and the social ritual thing, but they would be difficult to explain without enter in too much details and so on. I only would say that I think that "The Cabin" goes much far away and have a more radical conclusion (and sort of surprising coming from a superproduction): that better is the destruction of the whole human race by it´s own destructive old essence, than the perpetuation of a lie based on the "management" of suffering by a social elite, for try to appease the wrath of that Ancient Gods, the old destructive essence of the human being.
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I agree that the following is just about as Thelemic a statement as I've ever read:
"We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution..."
(Do you see the Qabalistic pattern btw... the six ideas centered around Tiphereth?)
It's all in the implementation then. And one must admit that after 200+ years there is still tweaking required.
But when compared to the whole course of human history, it has still been enormous progress, a platform for going further. (Churchill, of course, always comes to mind in this regard.)
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The mad men of a lot of countries envy you yankees for your facility for to have guns. The second amedment, in fact, had originally the purpouse of take care of the population if the government would became corrupt. That way people could defense themselves from opression and so on. I don´t remember the details, but that was the essence, anyway I suppose that it´s well knowed thing. Today there´s the discussion about the fire weapons, but well the thing has got much more complicated than in the past, or that it seems.
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@kasper81 said
"Churchill was an elitist i.e. fascist so I don't get that reference."
Churchill: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
