Is the Swastika poisoned?
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In which case I'd be inclined to agree with Jim, and say that although there is no problem using the sort of symbols with people who are not prone to making knee-jerk assumptions.
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@AliceNui said
"I was thinking about it because my T-shirt troubled my boyfriend. I also was considering using swastikas in some of my artwork. I would have to be careful who I showed those paintings to."
Fun art fact: Cubism used the swastika as a hidden structural device that broke the visual plane, unified the resulting chaos, and contributed a characteristic dynamism to the composition.
Love and Will
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@AliceNui said
"I also was considering using swastikas in some of my artwork. I would have to be careful who I showed those paintings to."
Why not incorporate it into a scheme where it is placed alongside symbols of positive import, like the Pentagram, Hexagram, Unicursal Hexagram, Octagon--whatever. This might alleviate certain negative connotations, and spark a spirit of inquiry where there would otherwise be antagonism.
I like to convert the Either/Or equation into Both.
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Swastika Rehabilitation Day Is July 20; Will It Cause Furor?
A UFO group is convinced it can rehabilitate the image of the swastika no matter what furor it causes.
The group, known as the Raelian International Movement, has declared July 20 as "Swastika Rehabilitation Day," with the goal being taking back the controversial symbol from the Nazis and returning it to its former glory as a symbol of good luck....
Last year, the group garnered controversy when tit hired a plane to fly over New York and New Jersey with a banner that equated the Nazi symbol with peace and love.
"It got the attention, so it was a success," Kaenzig told HuffPost after the event.
He promises that the swastika banners will once again be flown over New York and Miami. Although those cities have large Jewish populations, Kaenzig insists the Raelians aren't purposely trying to rile Jewish people.
"You want to educate people," he told HuffPost. "We picked those cities because they are major population areas, not because a lot of Jews live there."
Don Pripstein, president of the Jewish Community Center of Long Beach Island, isn't sure the group is going about things the right way.
"They may have good intentions, but the image is more powerful than good intentions at this point," he said to the AP. "The image is so horrendous that no matter what their ultimate purpose is, it's extremely negative."
Whatever Kaenzig says about the Raelians only wanting educate about the swastika has to be weighed
More here:
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/swastika-rehabilitation-d_n_3605754.html
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Wilhelm Reich (the orgone accumulator guy) wrote some interesting stuff about the swastika. Basically he argued that Christianity produced an emotional plague due to sexual repression. In Reich's view the swastika was a symbol of sexual union which triggered the unconscious. The xtian sexual repression blocked the normal feeling and so fanatical brutal fascism was expressed. So according to Reich the NAZI swastika was a symbol used to torment via the unconscious the sexually repressed population, and goad them towards fascism and brutality. This perhaps explains the incredible frenzy of the pre WWII Nuremberg rallies.
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My conclusion is that swastikas should be used in personal and private rituals, and not publicly, where they are liable to be misinterpreted and be harmful.
I don't agree with the Raelian's tactics. I think the Nazis are too recent a painful memory, and there are still too many Neo-Nazis out there. I also think it's very important to REMEMBER the harm the Nazis caused.
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@AliceKnewI said
"My conclusion is that swastikas should be used in personal and private rituals, and not publicly, where they are liable to be misinterpreted and be harmful.
I don't agree with the Raelian's tactics. I think the Nazis are too recent a painful memory, and there are still too many Neo-Nazis out there. I also think it's very important to REMEMBER the harm the Nazis caused."
With the Breivik thing around this time of year I wonder at the timing of this particular stunt. These Raelian's are into UFO's, lots of NAZI ufo stuff on the internet is there a link to the Raelian guys I wonder?
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"Hitler is bad, m'kay? And the swastika is bad - because Hitler is bad, m'kay?"
Please don't misinterpret my irony.
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Part of the problem with popularizing the swastika as a sacred symbol, is the sense that the holocaust is being forgotten. They say, "Never Forget" for a reason.
“As the Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel warned years ago, to forget a holocaust is to kill twice.”
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The problem with 'banning' the swastika is that it is a genuine occult symbol that predates NAZIism by thousands of years.
If we ban it because of Adolf Hitler et al we have done for the NAZI's what they could not achieve themselves when NAZI Germany did the book burning pyres.
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The swastika is banned in Germany, and perhaps other parts of Europe, I am not sure. It is not banned in the USA.
True, the swastika is more ancient than the Nazis. But the Nazis being a recent painful memory, I think it requires some sensitivity in public. There are still survivors of the holocaust, and their children alive. I just would be cautious about using it in public.
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But considering all the genocides the Jews are guilty of (if we believe Deuteronomy 3), why don't we ban the Star of David (so-called)?
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@Takamba said
"But considering all the genocides the Jews are guilty of (if we believe Deuteronomy 3), why don't we ban the Star of David (so-called)?"
Because it is too far away from living memory.
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@AliceKnewI said
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@Takamba said
"But considering all the genocides the Jews are guilty of (if we believe Deuteronomy 3), why don't we ban the Star of David (so-called)?"Because it is too far away from living memory."
So in actuality you can't suggest a "ban," but rather a cloistering in secrecy until such time as it is safe. So who are you to judge that now isn't the time it is safe (we are actually moving all things otherwise in an exponential pace).
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@Takamba said
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So in actuality you can't suggest a "ban," but rather a cloistering in secrecy until such time as it is safe. So who are you to judge that now isn't the time it is safe (we are actually moving all things otherwise in an exponential pace)."We each individually make our own decisions and choices. Expressing my opinion here doesn't mean I am enforcing my views on anyone else. I have the right to make my own judgements, and so do you.
If anyone is using the swastika in public, I would be interested to know the intentions, reactions, and results.
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One of the essential dangers of NAZIism and Fascism in general is that the different opinion is not allowed, and any who persist to differ must be eradicated. These differences that are met with by brutal intolerance from the Fascist who seeks to eradicate them are physical/racial attributes as well as unwanted ideas.
The Flyfot Swastika has historically has nothing to do with Fascism or NAZIism. To continue to treat the Swastika as taboo is either to give in to NAZIism's continuing power, or admit that the NAZI legacy remains strong. Therefore the swastika must be celebrated as it once was.
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@axismundi said
"One of the essential dangers of NAZIism and Fascism in general is that the different opinion is not allowed, and any who persist to differ must be eradicated. These differences that are met with by brutal intolerance from the Fascist who seeks to eradicate them are physical/racial attributes as well as unwanted ideas.
The Flyfot Swastika has historically has nothing to do with Fascism or NAZIism. To continue to treat the Swastika as taboo is either to give in to NAZIism's continuing power, or admit that the NAZI legacy remains strong. Therefore the swastika must be celebrated as it once was."
Very well said. I completely agree. I would love to know how to go about doing that.
I will admit that when I was done reading this post, I went back and reread it....this time inserting the word pussy in place of swastika, and patriarchy for Nazi.
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@Angel of Death said
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I will admit that when I was done reading this post, I went back and reread it....this time inserting the word pussy in place of swastika, and patriarchy for Nazi."
This makes my final line: "Therefore the pussy must be celebrated as it once was"
I find myself entirely in agreement with this idea.
However the swastika is often considered a solar symbol so presumably we can also say: "Therefore the cock must be celebrated as it once was".
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When has the celebration of the cock ever stopped thou?
I'm glad that you agree, I like to celebrate, maybe I should throw a big pussy party.
Maybe that's what needs to be done to reclaim the swastika, a big celebration rejoining the two maligned ones, Maybe redraw the symbols together, like a swastika in a Vesica piscis.
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Going back to my post on Wilhelm Reich this is precisely the antidote to the Xtian emotional plague and NAZIism that harnesses the torment and produces brutality. Sexual ill-health is the basis of Fascism.
So please do 'party on'
From a purely practice of Magic perspective the whirling fylfot can be related to primal Aleph and some good supernal's work. The flow of libido after such work is very great and somewhat turbulent I have found.