triad93
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Hello, thank you, and blah blah,
I joined this forum in an effort to get some answers about the current of Thelema and what seem to be high ranking members of Thelemic society (forgive my ignorance) and liberal/socialist parties. My understanding, however limited, has been that Thelema is the emobodiment of Libertarianism, not Liberalism. And yet, people such as Mr. Orpheus are openly members of organisations such as The Liberal Workers Party as well as the OTO. Such groups( the former) invariably look to take from others things which they have not earned from the people who have. Is Thelema not about personal liberty and freedom, including that of others? Is "harming none" not a part of thelemic belief?
I hope someone can illuminate this subject for me. Thank you for you time and consideration.
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@riad93 said
"Is Thelema not about personal liberty and freedom, including that of others? Is "harming none" not a part of thelemic belief? "
Yes to the former. I would also tend to answer yes to the second, but the language makes a siple yes-no more difficult.
I encourage you to start a new thread on this, rather than have the forum use your Introduce Yourself thread to discuss the topic at length (especially since this topic could, just maybe, go on for 100 posts as it did the last couple of times it came up).
I would suggest, as a start, that the side of Thelemic social vision on which you've placed your attention is, at best, half of the picture. There are three chapters to Liber Legis. The acute focus on individualism and self-in-isolation elements are characteristic especially of Hadit (Chapter 2). When discussions get one-sided, it's usually the Nuit perspective (Chapter 1) that gets overlooked: this is the perspective that all the infinite "individual" units are part of the same whole, that "we're all in this together." - It does not escape me that these two extremes resemble the seed ideas of the two primary U.S. political parties at their best.
Chapter 3 then expresses a third view, the main characteristic of which is the holding of the other two views concurrently, transcending their duality in something that both "parents" have missed.
And that's way too short a summary. - But, in any case, welcome.
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Nice to meet you this way triad93!
Thelema encompasses all beliefs, and Thelemites are drawn from all various backgrounds, the only thing they have in common with one another is that each individual is so vastly different and unique. The only thing that constitutes "thelemic belief" is one's own personal convictions for how the divinity of love is naturally mutable under the power of human will.
Most people naturally agree with "harming none", but Thelema doesn't operate under any such guidelines, Thelema doesn't apply boundaries or restrictions to religious ascension, that is what makes it Thelemic.
Thelema, or Thelemic Folk, or Thelemites, they have no agenda designated toward taking from others because the belief is that once a person becomes honest with themselves to find their own True Will in life, or their own personal philosophy that works for them, the whole universe bends in offering to fulfill each persons needs and desires without interfering or harming anyone, naturally.
Sometimes however, if a Thelemite is harmed by the dishonesty of another person, he reserves the right to retaliate by exposing such dishonesty, which may be harmful depending upon the situation.Thelema is definitely harmful to tyranny. Thelemites, through their Art, tend to liberate the exploited, and work to expose liars, and this of course seems harmful to those invested in "taking from others".
I hope you stick around for a long time triad93!