Elemental correspondences in LBRP
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Good point. These are very different cultures with respect to such names. - For one thing, the Hindu is highly ecumenical with respect to accepting and incorporating almost any god that someone wants to worship. The Hebrew religion, despite its early pantheistic nature and the wide range of names by which it identifies God, is not so accepting. (Hindus have been known to slaughter people of other religions now and then, but Hebrews were known to slaughter whole peoples just for worshipping a different god.)
There is also the difference that, in Hindu religion(s), the people are pretty much full participants, whereas in the Hebrew religion the priests were already intermediaries and socially, politically, and economically elite.
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Possible to get a link or a paste of the childrens hebrew prayer?
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Also any good old school paintings of the archangels with a relationship, however strong or weak, to the telesmatic technique and correspondences?
Very keen to develop more depth in the archangels.
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@sevenoneves said
"Possible to get a link or a paste of the childrens hebrew prayer?"
It goes:
Before me, Raphael.
Behind me, Gabriel.
On my right hand, Mikhael.
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"Also, I know the following has come up before, but if you could provide a hint (without breaking any oaths) on where I might find out about the significance of the SEQUENCE of divine names in the LRP that would be helpful. For example, a title of the source would be helpful."
Itchy one from the vast waters..
I would invite you, (I am not in any orders, so I cannot possibly violate any oaths. I have been in communication with secret chiefs, and they are not stopping me from typing this nor making my stomach queasy..)
to make a map of all four rituals, Lesser Pentagram inside of Lesser Hexagram inside of Supreme Pentagram inside of Greater Hexagram.
All four in a typical "quartering" map.
Include in the map all the appropriate pentagrams, hexagrams, including arrows to show you where they appropriately start from, and use symbols for the elements and whatnot.
I was pondering this over a year ago when I made my map. ALL else I can say is that I completely understood why Jim did not explain this before I read his reply. Pandora. Do not scan this map nor post it on the internet. Anyone wishing and willing to go through this work would most likely not wish to do any wrong with it.. but divine patterns are to be kept away from weaker ones.
Your scanner would break.
This is very simple.
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I think it's one of those things that are going to change the more you know and the more you look at it and understand. The first time I had this question, I came up with an answer. After more reading, studying and doing, I've come up with a different answer. More months of the same and I've a third, which probably is at about 4 or 5 typed pages of "Why". Is it **the **answer? I dunno. I suspect that answer will be replaced again in a few more months or years, or when/if I go through initiation.
I think the whole point of the exercise is to exercise.
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@Skia said
"I think it's one of those things that are going to change the more you know and the more you look at it and understand. The first time I had this question, I came up with an answer. After more reading, studying and doing, I've come up with a different answer. More months of the same and I've a third, which probably is at about 4 or 5 typed pages of "Why". Is it **the **answer? I dunno. I suspect that answer will be replaced again in a few more months or years, or when/if I go through initiation.
I think the whole point of the exercise is to exercise."
Yes, you will connect and be initiated if you strive ever onward, with the one love of the profound.
I go through months sometimes of the dark night of Apophis where nothing matters and it seems like besides even balancing myself, there's no reason for me to cause change in conformity with will - but I still practice, and that practice brings me through and enlightens me every time...
Those "different" answers you are getting will all line up when you get the overhead view.
Just like different correspondences with Liber 777/776 1/2. If you look at the element of Earth as 32bis, the color corresponding to Earth is not just green, as its elemental color.Even in just the King scale of color, you get Citrine, russet, olive, and black, all quartered. This does not even include the Queen, Emperor or Empress scales of color, which happen to be Amber, Dark brown, and Black and yellow, respectively.
Every time you come to a realization of a particular correspondence/relation that you recognize, compare it to the theories you already have until things line up.
It usually has to do with you recognizing something in Nature or the Work that is actually a part of you trying to get out and correspond and balance with itself in Nature or the Work.
Peace and Power
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@ThelemicMage said
"It usually has to do with you recognizing something in Nature or the Work that is actually a part of you trying to get out and correspond and balance with itself in Nature or the Work. "
I generally "go over" things when I feel that I've made a step in understanding something that I didn't have before. My most recent work on this was a rather large exercise in gematria. I did this after being given a name that might be the name of, or might some kind of a communication from, my HGA (or something else?) and doing a rather extensive amount of the same kind of work on that. Even if the communication was just a prod for me to "work and learn", it still lent to a greater view, even if I'm not at the top of the mountain looking down.
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@ThelemicMage said
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"Also, I know the following has come up before, but if you could provide a hint (without breaking any oaths) on where I might find out about the significance of the SEQUENCE of divine names in the LRP that would be helpful. For example, a title of the source would be helpful."Itchy one from the vast waters..
I would invite you, (I am not in any orders, so I cannot possibly violate any oaths. I have been in communication with secret chiefs, and they are not stopping me from typing this nor making my stomach queasy..)
to make a map of all four rituals, Lesser Pentagram inside of Lesser Hexagram inside of Supreme Pentagram inside of Greater Hexagram.
All four in a typical "quartering" map.
Include in the map all the appropriate pentagrams, hexagrams, including arrows to show you where they appropriately start from, and use symbols for the elements and whatnot.
I was pondering this over a year ago when I made my map. ALL else I can say is that I completely understood why Jim did not explain this before I read his reply. Pandora. Do not scan this map nor post it on the internet. Anyone wishing and willing to go through this work would most likely not wish to do any wrong with it.. but divine patterns are to be kept away from weaker ones.
Your scanner would break.
This is very simple."
I'm quite heavily drawn to this idea for some reason, I'm wondering though, the names to be vibrated for the quarters in both hexagram rituals are Ararita, are there any other specific names for these quarters?
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@Archaeus said
"(...)both hexagram rituals(...)"
This might not be the same idea that Frank is going for; but, when I did a "map" I didn't use both hexagram rituals. I used LRP, LRH and Opening By Watchtower.
I think this, though, is getting away from the original question.
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@Archaeus said
"I'm quite heavily drawn to this idea for some reason, I'm wondering though, the names to be vibrated for the quarters in both hexagram rituals are Ararita, are there any other specific names for these quarters?"
Not in the Lesser.
In the Greater, it is supplemented by hierarchical names for the principle being invoked or banished.
And... I forget (and haven't carefully reread the thread to this point)... you DO know (yes?) that A.R.A.R.Y.Th.A.is a notariqon and, ideally, the full original phrase should be vibrated instead? From 776 1/2:
@776 1/2 said
"The second blind involves a notariqon, just as in the Pentagram Ritual. When published scripts of this ritual say to vibrate A.R.A.R.I.T.A., that is an abbreviation for the Hebrew phrase, Echad, rosh ache’dutho, rosh yichudutho, t’muratho echad. This may not be as critical as in the Pentagram ritual because Ararita, at least, is resonant (due to all of the vowels and Rs together), in comparison to the angular, hard-edged, terse Agla. Also, A.R.A.R.I.T.A. is not as numerically (geometrically) locked into the hexagram as A.G.L.A. (i.e., the whole phrase) is to the pentagram."
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Archaeus said
"I'm quite heavily drawn to this idea for some reason, I'm wondering though, the names to be vibrated for the quarters in both hexagram rituals are Ararita, are there any other specific names for these quarters?"Not in the Lesser.
In the Greater, it is supplemented by hierarchical names for the principle being invoked or banished.
And... I forget (and haven't carefully reread the thread to this point)... you DO know (yes?) that A.R.A.R.Y.Th.A.is a notariqon and, ideally, the full original phrase should be vibrated instead? From 776 1/2:
@776 1/2 said
"The second blind involves a notariqon, just as in the Pentagram Ritual. When published scripts of this ritual say to vibrate A.R.A.R.I.T.A., that is an abbreviation for the Hebrew phrase, Echad, rosh ache’dutho, rosh yichudutho, t’muratho echad. This may not be as critical as in the Pentagram ritual because Ararita, at least, is resonant (due to all of the vowels and Rs together), in comparison to the angular, hard-edged, terse Agla. Also, A.R.A.R.I.T.A. is not as numerically (geometrically) locked into the hexagram as A.G.L.A. (i.e., the whole phrase) is to the pentagram."
"Yeah I was aware of that, Usually when I do the LRH I just vibrate ARARITA as a word, it might be interesting to try it as a full phrase, although its a touch long-winded.
One thing though, it strikes me that the Greater Hexagram ritual can only be performed as a Planet specific ritual, I wonder if there is a way to make it more general, my instinct says that doing the Greater Hexagram ritual of Sol would be the closest that I would get to this, what with Sol being the centre, whats the general consensus on this?
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@Archaeus said
"One thing though, it strikes me that the Greater Hexagram ritual can only be performed as a Planet specific ritual, I wonder if there is a way to make it more general"
What would be the purpose? As you say, the only real distinction is the general-vs.-particular factor. There's nothing known to me to suggest that the Greater is in any general sense greater (more powerful, holier, whatever) than the Lesser. It seems like just getting stuck on the word, like "Greater has to be better."
"my instinct says that doing the Greater Hexagram ritual of Sol would be the closest that I would get to this, what with Sol being the centre, whats the general consensus on this?"
FWIW, the Lesser is inherently a solar ritual anyway.
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That's probably true actually, I guess I was getting hung up on the name, time to sort that one out I suppose. It might also be why I could never thing of a reason to use the GRH unless I wanted to invoke a specific force, which up until now I have never felt the need to do.
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@Archaeus said
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@ThelemicMage said
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"Also, I know the following has come up before, but if you could provide a hint (without breaking any oaths) on where I might find out about the significance of the SEQUENCE of divine names in the LRP that would be helpful. For example, a title of the source would be helpful."Itchy one from the vast waters..
I would invite you, (I am not in any orders, so I cannot possibly violate any oaths. I have been in communication with secret chiefs, and they are not stopping me from typing this nor making my stomach queasy..)
to make a map of all four rituals, Lesser Pentagram inside of Lesser Hexagram inside of Supreme Pentagram inside of Greater Hexagram.
All four in a typical "quartering" map.
Include in the map all the appropriate pentagrams, hexagrams, including arrows to show you where they appropriately start from, and use symbols for the elements and whatnot.
I was pondering this over a year ago when I made my map. ALL else I can say is that I completely understood why Jim did not explain this before I read his reply. Pandora. Do not scan this map nor post it on the internet. Anyone wishing and willing to go through this work would most likely not wish to do any wrong with it.. but divine patterns are to be kept away from weaker ones.
Your scanner would break.
This is very simple."
I'm quite heavily drawn to this idea for some reason, I'm wondering though, the names to be vibrated for the quarters in both hexagram rituals are Ararita, are there any other specific names for these quarters?"
I believe I just have ararita in my map, but I shall find it and check.
One thing that is VERY important for making this map, is that you have to make it exactly the way Crowley has it explained in Liber O.
This includes Fire in the East, Air in the South, etc.. for the Lesser Hexagram Ritual. I'm sure you will figure this out.. He put Liber O together in that exact fashion for very important reasons, including keeping the LHR in the "vault".
With this, you can map out the forces of Nature as they pass through eachother, mix, dissolve, coagulate, crystallize into and out of eachother.
There's an important reason that the LHR connects to the "vault" of the adepts, and it includes initiatory power in this exact idea.
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Oh, and after getting a general idea as to the movement of Power, you might reflect on crowley's statement, (paraphrased), "One of the most important parts of this work (Great Work in our Universe), is moving the Earth into the West.
In fact, now that you've read this, if you do make the map, this will fit in as you remember it. Just try to remember to keep a Falcon's eye view on everything as you do this.
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Hmm...
The idea of this map intrigues me.
Not quite time though,
Not quite time.I leave my self this note to look into it in the future.
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Correction: The Hexagram Ritual is only performed with Macrocosmic elemental attributions if it is performed within the Vault (or an equivalent Briatic context). Under most circumstances, the elemental alignments of the pentagram and hexagram are identical, I.e., Microcosmic.
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I understand that, Jim, and I practice it in the elemental way.
However, what I am addressing exactly is the flow of power. For understanding it the way I devised, you have to understand the initiatory powers. This is so important with Water being the promordial substance, as well as the attribution to HOD
Aside all of the this, if you do make the map as such, you will see this correct flow of power, as well as how it flows out of the vault into the proper elemental ingredients.
But I am understanding what you mean, Jim. I am sure you already understand what I am talking about, and clarifying proper Magickal procedure and theory.
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Wheels within wheels...
And just when I was beginning to think I had a fair understanding of Liber O as well
I know what I'm mostly going to be doing today then...