Patterns of Novelty and concrescence
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I grew up in an Armageddon predicting cult. Adherents often used the same reasoning at the latest prediction (previous predictions were so obviously wrong, current ones are so different, the horrible potential for tragic irony from disregarding current predictions because of past false predictions).
It's quite liberating to be free from that mind-set.
Doomsday predictions are very distracting from the very real disasters we are collectively steering toward as a species. December 21, 2012 won't make or break us a species any more than December 20 or 22, but the sum of our decisions over the next few years very possibly will.
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Thelemic Mage wrote:"I think it is a huge deal that the ancient Egyptian, Chinese, and Mayan calenders have humanity's age ending in 2012.
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It's arguable about the Mayan calendar - most Mayanists are saying this is bunk. I've been into Egyptology for 40-plus years, and there is no Egyptian prophecy about 2012 that I've ever seen. Constructing one from extrapolations, optimism and fantasy doesn't make a valid one exist. I don't know much about Chinese calendrical practices, but I've never seen an indication that there's one predicting an "end." The whole "end" thing - prophecies, mindset, assumptions of a definitive and final judgement - is strictly a Christian perspective, later picked up by Islam. It's one of the hang-ups Thelema attempts to dispel.93 93/93,
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Well, the whole deal with the three calenders ending in 2012 had to do with stars, and a giant galactic alighment that happens, if I am remembering correctly, every fifty thousand years.
So, yes, there are three calendars that end in this year, but the theories are scattered, and unbacked, except maybe if the Earth purifies itself every fifty thousand years, or whatever the amount of time was. I'm sorry it's been awhile since I've researched this.
The alignment happens to be that our arm of the galaxy is going to be balanced at the center of the galaxy, which only happens every once in awhile.
So, end of the world, or just a giant galactic alignment.
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@ThelemicMage said
"Well, the whole deal with the three calenders ending in 2012 had to do with stars, and a giant galactic alighment that happens, if I am remembering correctly, every fifty thousand years.
So, yes, there are three calendars that end in this year, but the theories are scattered, and unbacked, except maybe if the Earth purifies itself every fifty thousand years, or whatever the amount of time was. I'm sorry it's been awhile since I've researched this.
The alignment happens to be that our arm of the galaxy is going to be balanced at the center of the galaxy, which only happens every once in awhile.
So, end of the world, or just a giant galactic alignment."
Disregarding the Christian based conclusion at the end of part 2 of this YouTube piece, I hope you'll see why your "galactic alignment" is also not a fact.
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They say, that the galactic alignment happens from the Earth's perspective only. Maybe that's the divine joke upon the ancient calendar-makers. Maybe it's the same kind of joke that was played upon those attempting to use Tropical astrology for the past few thousand years?
However, if the Mayans did in fact read and map the stars in the past and future, it would make sense that to their visual calculations from what they thought was correct as looking from the Earth's perspective, then that could be the reason the calenders end in this year?
I don't know, however.
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@ThelemicMage said
"They say, that the galactic alignment happens from the Earth's perspective only. Maybe that's the divine joke upon the ancient calendar-makers. Maybe it's the same kind of joke that was played upon those attempting to use Tropical astrology for the past few thousand years?
However, if the Mayans did in fact read and map the stars in the past and future, it would make sense that to their visual calculations from what they thought was correct as looking from the Earth's perspective, then that could be the reason the calenders end in this year?
I don't know, however."
Could it be that the calendar ends this year because this is the year that a full circle takes place (and therefore, no need to make another calendar, just start back at zero)?
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That is soooo strange,
Takamba.I just had a vivid memory of looking at the calendar held by the Kerubs, no joke, with the idea you just proposed.
All I saw was that in the center, there was an "infinite" time backwards, and at the end, was the end of this year. The idea you just postulated came into my mind as clear as a bell, and went away just as fast as the calendar and the Kerubs did.
Thank you, Frater. I actually had to read twice what you said to get the full idea of my memory. There was like a huge circular pattern to everything, including the end and beginning of the calendar.
I have some serious self-hypnosis to do..
Thanks again,
93s
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It seems that multiple calendars are made, or time resets itself when it goes back to "zero", which there isn't a zero, just an ever-expading point backwards into the past that seems to get deeper, but shallower every time that time resets itself.
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Alright Dar, now you're having fun with me.
But there really is an Egyptian calendar that ends in 2012, I believe there was only one found. If you google it I'm sure you can find out where it's from and where it is now.
I'm too tired.
G'night.
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Now Dar, is that from the book of Thoth extended from the book of the law's passage about one who should come to discover the "Key of it all", or is it something you did with your own divine numbers and applied it to your tarot deck?
I've got a Thoth set myself, and it's never wrong. I swear, I can shuffle the deck AND draw cards three separate times, the cards not really changing for the thoughts/ideas/symbols I had them for, unless they change to something I had been currently thinking about or another card of almost the exact same meaning to a particular situation.
However, you pointed out that we see what we want to see.. I doubt I pull the cards I want to see pulled.
But, you never know. If you know your tarot deck very well and have shuffled and pulled from it hundreds or thousands of times, your mind can easily memorize different weights, colors, scratches, and feel of different cards, so we may not actually be divining anything at all -- just pulling an expected outcome or idea out of a stack of cards our minds have completely memorized the attributes, smells, etc. of.
I guess we shall never know. But I believe in HGAs in as far as the illusion, and in my illusion, I believe mine is guiding me with things such as the tarot, and I have no problem testing my doubts and surest feelings because I don't attribute reality to sensation anyway -- just a giant hallucination that was made for me to "suck", if you'll pardon the expression.
Now that sounds childish, but I assure you it's "really" not.Who calls us thelemites will not be incorrect, if you look close into the word. Another analogy of that would be "The"=God. Maybe it has something to do with us being "mites" of "God". As in very small creatures that crawl around on the "mind/back/body" of God Samadhi right before they are "sucked" in and exploded into it.
G'day