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Aurum Solis, Servants of Light, and filling the GD-AA gap

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  • H Hermes
    Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

    Hello brothers and sisters,

    I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

    Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

    Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

    Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

    Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

    I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

    I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

    Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
    Which ones come close after it?
    Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
    Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

    I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

    Thanks

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    Freya
    wrote on Mar 14, 2014, 3:43 PM last edited by
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    Thank you so much Tony. What I understand from what you say is that it really doesn't matter how old an order is (or its lineage, for that matter), but it is the integrity of the people within it that makes it better or worse than other groups.

    Usually once its founders die, the order can change its overall "frequency", for lack of a better word. I wonder how both the Aurum Solis (with the new grand master) and the SOL (after Butler's death) have changed, for better or worse. For the former at least I feel, (and this is purely subjective) that there is a rivalry between the Aurum Solis and the Ordo Astrum Sophiae. It just comes across this way to me in the article on their page, a sort of warning to people, that the overall spirit of the OAS has changed since Denning died and Osbourne Phillips stepped down... which probably affects the "strength" of their initiations.

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    • H Hermes
      Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

      Hello brothers and sisters,

      I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

      Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

      Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

      Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

      Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

      I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

      I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

      Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
      Which ones come close after it?
      Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
      Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

      I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

      Thanks

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      Tony DeLuce
      wrote on Mar 14, 2014, 7:09 PM last edited by
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      I do believe lineage to be very important. The S.O.L still uses the lessons Butler wrote. I do agree that the people that make up an Order at the present time, particularly the leaders and the local group you associate with is very important in regards to the frequency you mention. But without lineage and the oral teaching and training that comes with it is a study group not an Order. I would note that every major contributor to the Western Mystery Tradition had Lineage...

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      • H Hermes
        Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

        Hello brothers and sisters,

        I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

        Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

        Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

        Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

        Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

        I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

        I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

        Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
        Which ones come close after it?
        Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
        Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

        I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

        Thanks

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        Freya
        wrote on Mar 14, 2014, 8:22 PM last edited by
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        So basically to "reverse-engineer" the SOL: Dolores Ashcroft Nowicki- Butler- Dion Fortune- Mathers?

        Would this be correct?

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        • H Hermes
          Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

          Hello brothers and sisters,

          I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

          Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

          Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

          Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

          Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

          I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

          I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

          Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
          Which ones come close after it?
          Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
          Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

          I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

          Thanks

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          Tony DeLuce
          wrote on Mar 14, 2014, 8:35 PM last edited by
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          Yes, in regards to elements of their teaching but Butler did not pass on the Group Ritual work to the S.O.L. , it is a correspondence course with a personal supervisor...

          And as Dion Fortune wrote her own rituals I would not consider the S.I.L. ritual work Lineage to come from Mathers either but obviously much of the teaching does.

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          • H Hermes
            Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

            Hello brothers and sisters,

            I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

            Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

            Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

            Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

            Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

            I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

            I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

            Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
            Which ones come close after it?
            Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
            Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

            I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

            Thanks

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            Hermes
            wrote on Mar 14, 2014, 9:02 PM last edited by
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            Very nice Tony 🆒

            Freya thanks for mentioning OAS, i'ill look into that. Id' be interested too to hear more concerning latest evolutions of AS.

            Since the initial post i've read Denning and Philips material. I think it doesnt need comment. 😄 Read also quickly Biasi's Tarot book, which seems very nice too.

            As for SOL lineage i've read Ina Custers Magick book. Nice stuff there too. For instance they start rituals in the north, use different color attributions, star magick, pathworking based on various traditions and such. They seem to have good pedagogy for the begginner.

            As for the effectiveness of orders/styles or lodges/teachers/techniques, i feel currently that it is more a question of what is optimal for a specific individual at a specific time, in conjuction with the background and environement factors. That combination will make what is optimal fluctuate for everyone, although in different rythms and different ways.

            As Tony says, a Zelator of GD can be actually better than a Zelator of AA. Certainly there are even people already Adepts in Yoga who get initiated in Masonry. Thus they are as advanced as an Adept of AA on the middle pillar. Who knows how basic masonry would work for him starting with such background? Masonry material might work strong enough to make him of similar skills on all three pillars with an Adept Exemptus of AA. Still, he would not be considered as such without being able to demonstrate all required syllabus to that specific style(AA).

            AA as the super complete and direct system might as well be not the fastest way possible to adepthood in some cases. In my own path for instance i'd love to join the AA now but actually it would be not optimal now, so i dont. The wanting of joining has a part which is genuine. Indeed, it is a part of my true will to join the AA(and probably the AS 😆 ) . But in my own path, this may be optimal after attainement of Adepthood.

            Many factors come into play. Some of them: i've started the path many years ago with eastern martial arts. Now the real internal and philosophical results start to pay off and it is a lot of work to "digest" them. Also it is a lot of work to articulate them with the western aproach .

            Thus, the perfection of eastern practice and the philosophical articulation of that mastery with the western basics occupy two pillars already. Add this Thelemic religious practice, basic magick, and straight meditation, and it makes a complete and optimal "system" for my specific situation and being at that time in the path.

            Each style, aspect of style, combination of styles/practices might be optimal for each individual at a specific time. For me, AA/AS may be of best use after adepthood. Some "uses" may be: kchga, (better)accomplishement of the true will, work on karma, "masonic" action(for instance in a way similar to Jim's type of involvement in Thelema and Hermetics).

            All the best to all brothers and sisters of any approach. 😄

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            • H Hermes
              Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

              Hello brothers and sisters,

              I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

              Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

              Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

              Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

              Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

              I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

              I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

              Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
              Which ones come close after it?
              Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
              Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

              I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

              Thanks

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              Danica
              wrote on Mar 14, 2014, 9:45 PM last edited by
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              @Frater Horus said

              "

              For me, AA/AS may be of best use after adepthood. "

              This actually does not make any sense. Because, first: the AA system is specifically designed to get a person to that "goal" (the Next Step for humanity) - that is, at least for all those people who are not "there" yet 😀 ; and second, because after you have reached adepthood, you actually do not need any system to "guide" you further - you have the direct conscious connection with your Angel (I'm not saying it's not good, or not preferred, to work within a system, I'm only saying that it is not necessary).

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              • H Hermes
                Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                Hello brothers and sisters,

                I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                Which ones come close after it?
                Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                Thanks

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                Freya
                wrote on Mar 15, 2014, 12:46 AM last edited by
                #26

                I find some material by Denning and Phillips to be "new-agey", lacking substance, and their explanation of the qabalah to be quite sketchy, compared to other authors... but that's just me. I prefer Dion Fortune, Butler and Crowley's writings (and HP Blavatsky), and to what has been recently published by the OAS. It seems to me they are very different from the GD and AA....the SOL appear to me to be closer to those systems than the OAS.... but I may be wrong

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                • H Hermes
                  Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                  Hello brothers and sisters,

                  I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                  Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                  Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                  Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                  Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                  I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                  I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                  Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                  Which ones come close after it?
                  Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                  Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                  I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                  Thanks

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                  Tony DeLuce
                  wrote on Mar 15, 2014, 1:02 AM last edited by
                  #27

                  Check out their five volume ( I believe now in 3 paperbacks ) Magical Philosophy - it is excellent. The "guide to" books I have seen do appear to be sort of flakey..

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                  • H Hermes
                    Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                    Hello brothers and sisters,

                    I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                    Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                    Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                    Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                    Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                    I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                    I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                    Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                    Which ones come close after it?
                    Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                    Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                    I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                    Thanks

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                    Hermes
                    wrote on Mar 15, 2014, 1:42 AM last edited by
                    #28

                    @danica said

                    "
                    @Frater Horus said
                    "

                    For me, AA/AS may be of best use after adepthood. "

                    This actually does not make any sense. Because, first: the AA system is specifically designed to get a person to that "goal" (the Next Step for humanity) - that is, at least for all those people who are not "there" yet 😀 ; and second, because after you have reached adepthood, you actually do not need any system to "guide" you further - you have the direct conscious connection with your Angel (I'm not saying it's not good, or not preferred, to work within a system, I'm only saying that it is not necessary)."

                    O Mistress Danica, whip me, whip me, i'm such a naughty student. 😀

                    Yes those systems are designed to get to that "goal" but so are the eastern ones ! 😄 An adept yogi or taoist is as much an adept as an AA/AS one.

                    I see the point of "not needing a system" past adepthood(at least in theory) but if it is just to attain mystical achievement up to Tiphareth in the fastest way possible for most people possible i see straight eastern systems as much more direct. They cover all three pillars more than enough, in a simpler way. They have their magick and philosophy too, not only meditation. AA and AS on the other hand have the particularity of covering with precision all three pillars past adepthood, and providing much more refined magick(is it really useful before adepthood...?) which i'm not aware of similar thing in the eastern systems.

                    If you were to write a 300 page book concerning how to get to adepthood, what would you put inside? Would you put elaborate qabalah and magick of all imaginable refinements and art, or the most very basics in most simple, functional ways and aplications, with every practicle detail so it can be perfected by anyone of enough potential? On the other hand, if you were to write a thesis for 7=4, there will be a need for refinements and artistic power as well

                    Within the three thelemic systems designed by Crowley, we could say(maybe?) EGC material is "enough" to become an Adept, OTO enough to Geburah, and AA contains syllabus for Exemptus and more. 👜 But if in a system it contains stuff for Exemptus and more, there are many chances earlier stuff are to some degree related already. On the contrary if a system focus up to adepthood, it is as such(excluding other factors) much more direct for that specific goal.

                    With the new aeon the old systems went a world down. Thus only new aeon systems(formal or informal) can make one cross the abyss now. But the systems which made one cross the abyss before can now make one an adept, just like those which made adepts before can make zelatores now. And they even might be optimal for that for anything not directly serving a goal might go against it. How does this sound? 😄

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                    • H Hermes
                      Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                      Hello brothers and sisters,

                      I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                      Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                      Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                      Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                      Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                      I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                      I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                      Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                      Which ones come close after it?
                      Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                      Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                      I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                      Thanks

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                      Hermes
                      wrote on Mar 15, 2014, 1:56 AM last edited by
                      #29

                      @Freya said

                      "I find some material by Denning and Phillips to be "new-agey", lacking substance"

                      How do you find Taoist classics? 😄 This i quoted from you seems as a compliment to me 😆 Not as such, but what it brings when i try to make correspond AS books and "new agey_lacking substance". My intuition says "its true ! but in a good/ the taoist way". There is indeed somekind of vacuity in those books 😀 I think it shows there are not only good adepts but also good pedagogs and writers. They make the material feel "light" but i think it is not in any way. It's the way of writing that may produce the effect.

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                      • H Hermes
                        Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                        Hello brothers and sisters,

                        I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                        Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                        Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                        Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                        Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                        I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                        I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                        Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                        Which ones come close after it?
                        Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                        Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                        I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                        Thanks

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                        Danica
                        wrote on Mar 15, 2014, 1:01 PM last edited by
                        #30

                        @Frater Horus said

                        "

                        O Mistress Danica, whip me, whip me, i'm such a naughty student. 😀

                        "

                        I prefer gentle touch and caress 😀
                        (BTW, regarding whipping, have you seen Trier's "Nymphomaniac"?)

                        "...
                        How does this sound? "

                        Like a lot of theorizing 😀
                        "Adephood" by which system's definition?
                        AA is not a social club; if one wants to joint, regardless of his/her actual spiritual development thus far, one goes from the beginning, that is - goes through the system step by step. The method of science, ya know.

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                        • H Hermes
                          Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                          Hello brothers and sisters,

                          I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                          Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                          Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                          Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                          Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                          I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                          I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                          Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                          Which ones come close after it?
                          Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                          Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                          I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                          Thanks

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                          Freya
                          wrote on Mar 15, 2014, 2:23 PM last edited by
                          #31

                          Thanks Tony, the material I read so far wasn't very good in my opinion, but that's just me. They also advise the use of planetary hours which, IMO, is not to be followed.... I find Taoist teachings very good, but I do not expect from an Eastern system to teach in the same way as a Western one. This is just my opinion, and it is purely academic (I am comparing the substance of their writings to Crowley's), and it is without prejudice. I am sure that all of Denning and Phillips books will be (and already have been) useful for many people.

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                          • H Hermes
                            Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                            Hello brothers and sisters,

                            I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                            Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                            Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                            Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                            Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                            I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                            I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                            Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                            Which ones come close after it?
                            Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                            Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                            I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                            Thanks

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                            Hermes
                            wrote on Mar 16, 2014, 4:52 AM last edited by
                            #32

                            @danica said

                            "
                            @Frater Horus said
                            "O Mistress Danica, whip me, whip me, i'm such a naughty student. 😀 "

                            I prefer gentle touch and caress 😀
                            (BTW, regarding whipping, have you seen Trier's "Nymphomaniac"?)

                            "...How does this sound? "

                            Like a lot of theorizing 😀
                            "Adephood" by which system's definition?
                            AA is not a social club; if one wants to joint, regardless of his/her actual spiritual development thus far, one goes from the beginning, that is - goes through the system step by step. The method of science, ya know."

                            Let there be gentleness then 😄

                            I'll look the movie

                            "Adepthood" by my own secret system's definition.

                            Thou are against all social clubs, hippies, cowards and mediocrities O my chosen ! 😆

                            Let there be caress 👌

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                            • H Hermes
                              Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                              Hello brothers and sisters,

                              I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                              Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                              Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                              Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                              Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                              I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                              I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                              Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                              Which ones come close after it?
                              Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                              Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                              I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                              Thanks

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                              Hermes
                              wrote on Mar 17, 2014, 7:32 PM last edited by
                              #33

                              What could be interesting is some kind of 777 dedicated to initiatic systems, their correspondances and interactions 😀

                              Any one heard of such book?

                              Or maybe someone here would like to write it ! 👌

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                              • H Hermes
                                Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                                Hello brothers and sisters,

                                I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                                Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                                Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                                Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                                Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                                I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                                I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                                Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                                Which ones come close after it?
                                Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                                Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                                I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                                Thanks

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                                Faust
                                wrote on Mar 17, 2014, 8:48 PM last edited by
                                #34

                                @Freya said

                                "I find some material by Denning and Phillips to be "new-agey", "

                                I was very annoyed by that until I realized that among the new age stuff there was some hardcore magick tech. It still annoys me, but at least I do have some fun with the tech.

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                                • H Hermes
                                  Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                                  Hello brothers and sisters,

                                  I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                                  Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                                  Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                                  Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                                  Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                                  I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                                  I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                                  Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                                  Which ones come close after it?
                                  Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                                  Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                                  I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                                  Thanks

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                                  Freya
                                  wrote on Mar 19, 2014, 12:59 PM last edited by
                                  #35

                                  It wasn't my intention to annoy anyone, nor it is my intention now, it is only my opinion.

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                                  • H Hermes
                                    Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                                    Hello brothers and sisters,

                                    I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                                    Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                                    Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                                    Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                                    Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                                    I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                                    I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                                    Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                                    Which ones come close after it?
                                    Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                                    Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                                    I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                                    Thanks

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                                    Takamba
                                    wrote on Mar 19, 2014, 2:11 PM last edited by
                                    #36

                                    I know there's fluff material everywhere you look. I know also there are children camping in the wilderness when I go out and do my serious hermitage. What really annoys me is the people who feel superior about themselves by labeling things "newagey" as if the things so labelled actually cared what you think.

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                                    • H Hermes
                                      Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                                      Hello brothers and sisters,

                                      I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                                      Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                                      Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                                      Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                                      Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                                      I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                                      I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                                      Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                                      Which ones come close after it?
                                      Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                                      Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                                      I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                                      Thanks

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                                      Freya
                                      wrote on Mar 19, 2014, 2:39 PM last edited by
                                      #37

                                      I am entitled to my opinions, just as you are entitled to yours. I have written my opinions without prejudice, and they are not personal. I cannot control the emotional reactions of others, nor is it my concern to do so. I am not interested neither in people caring about what I think, if it is me you allude to under the term "people", nor in feeling superior. I assume this comment was not meant personally as you have no personal knowledge of me, so you cannot possibly know how I feel about myself. What I said was a personal opinion on what I believe is the quality of some Denning and Phillips writings compared to Crowley's. It is not a personal attack on anybody, merely my views on some of the work that I have personally read. Having made it abundantly clear what my position is in this matter, I find it futile to continue this conversation if it is taken out of context and made it about personal character.

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                                      • H Hermes
                                        Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                                        Hello brothers and sisters,

                                        I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                                        Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                                        Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                                        Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                                        Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                                        I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                                        I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                                        Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                                        Which ones come close after it?
                                        Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                                        Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                                        I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                                        Thanks

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                                        Jim Eshelman
                                        wrote on Mar 19, 2014, 3:02 PM last edited by
                                        #38

                                        In case it helps clear things up... (Filter out the opinion portions as opinion. They're padding so I can get to the relevant fact or two.)

                                        D&P's primary series on Aurum Solis (5 volumes hard cover, now 3 volumes paper) are phenomenal, an apex of magical writing of the last half century. Some of their other books, such as that on magical self-defense, are of a similar caliber.

                                        However, as part of their... relationship... with Llewellyn, they were asked to pop out a few pop books along the way. I doubt this was ever in the form of "write this pablum, or we won't publish your other stuff;" however, it did seem at the time (to me, and to a couple of people who knew them better than I) that there was a bit of "house production staff writer" aspect to the relationship. This also popularized the D&P brand, of course.

                                        Even in these pablumish works, they put an enormous amount of solid information - some of it overt, some of it snuck in so you didn't necessarily know you were getting the jewels while scrounging for acorns. But you end up going home with a pocket of jewels.

                                        I don't like all their stuff. But I adore them per se, and utterly adore their best stuff, and very much like a lot of the rest.

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                                        • H Hermes
                                          Feb 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

                                          Hello brothers and sisters,

                                          I read Jim has made very positive comments on Aurum Solis. Also, that it has the particularity of working on a AA level. I mean, Yesod in Yetzirah and Tiphareth in Briah... Are there other systems working on that level?

                                          Another thing which surprises me is they give grades only on the middle pillar. So they have 3 grades. I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Servants of Light lineage , where they also have 3 grades. Knowing those are GD based, so, i guess, Yesod in Assiah and Tiphareth in Yetzirah. So, these points rise in me some questions.

                                          Could we draw an analogy GD-AA, SL-AS?

                                          Does Crowley mentions or comment this system?

                                          Does the ogdoadic star has anything to do with Sirius?

                                          I saw Ina Custers, who's an initiate from an SL lineage, put in her book "The temple of High Magic" Sirius onto Daath in the tree of life. Does this has anything to do, again, with the ogdoadic tradition?

                                          I'm still busy struggling with the very basic GD system, but i plan moving on to the AA when i'm ready. Could SL and AS help as transitions? How would they all articulate? Because obviously the gap is huge between GD and AA. For instance, i feel about at an early 4=7 level of GD, and also doing stuff astrally, yoga and so on, yet i feel very far from having the astral control needed for 2=9 AA. Like it would take years... So, what to do those years? 😄

                                          Also, is Aurum Solis the most advanced system available in Europe?
                                          Which ones come close after it?
                                          Is the SL lineage more advanced than the classic GD?
                                          Which ones would serve best at filling the gap between GD and AA?

                                          I know i should read more Crowley and practice his instructions on the 1=10 AA grade, which i will do anyway. But it doesnt change the fact there are no AA lodges in europe, and that i'm not ready for AA anyway, especially as there's only one chance per incarnation. It would be nice to join a group working on a level between GD and AA.

                                          Thanks

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                                          Faust
                                          wrote on Mar 21, 2014, 3:00 AM last edited by
                                          #39

                                          Sorry Freya, I was not clear, I think that their new-age style annoying, not your opinion.

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