Intended English Qabalah?
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Well, you may want to consider whether or not those other posts were merely mocking you or not...
Personally, I see no value in the creation of a system with repeating numbers. For instance, allowing 1 = T, or K, or B only allows for more creative possibility in interpretation, which increases the amount of error in attempts to actually communicate anything specific.
But, as to the whole order and value of the English alphabet and all that....
There are two primary correspondences to 26 in qabalah:
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YHVH = 10+5+6+5 = 26
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The Cube of Space is the construct from which the 22 trumps of tarot are created.
- 1 center
- 3 axes
- 6 faces
-12 edges
Total = 22
However, if one adds the diagonals not used in the construction of the tarot trumps:
- 1 center
- 3 axes
- 6 faces
-12 edges - 4 diagonals
Total = 26
To me, this seems like the most legitimate way to use all 26 letters of the English alphabet.
However, it would suggest the creation of 4 new trumps, and one would have to get deep, deep, deep, deep in their understanding of the Cube of Space to do it properly. Not only that, but attempting to do so may reveal why those who presented only 22 trumps made the decision not to include the diagonals and may reveal this attempt at interpreting the passage as inadequate.
I readily confess it is beyond my own ability, and it may be a dead end.
Honestly, it seems beyond me.
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@Bereshith said
"Well, you may want to consider whether or not those other posts were merely mocking you or not...
Personally, I see no value in the creation of a system with repeating numbers. For instance, allowing 1 = T, or K, or B only allows for more creative possibility in interpretation, which increases the amount of error in attempts to actually communicate anything specific.
But, as to the whole order and value of the English alphabet and all that....
There are two primary correspondences to 26 in qabalah:
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YHVH = 10+5+6+5 = 26
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The Cube of Space is the construct from which the 22 trumps of tarot are created.
- 1 center
- 3 axes
- 6 faces
-12 edges
Total = 22
However, if one adds the diagonals not used in the construction of the tarot trumps:
- 1 center
- 3 axes
- 6 faces
-12 edges - 4 diagonals
Total = 26
To me, this seems like the most legitimate way to use all 26 letters of the English alphabet.
However, it would suggest the creation of 4 new trumps, and one would have to get deep, deep, deep, deep in their understanding of the Cube of Space to do it properly. Not only that, but attempting to do so may reveal why those who presented only 22 trumps made the decision not to include the diagonals and may reveal this attempt at interpreting the passage as inadequate.
I readily confess it is beyond my own ability, and it may be a dead end.
Honestly, it seems beyond me."
93 Bereshith,
Probably mocking, your right. But, when has any other responses been deleted because of that? Anyway it doesn't matter I guess.
Well, its beyond me too! Honestly I found this, and don't know enough to truly argue it all out. This is one of the reasons I'm sharing it and looking for input and feedback.
You bring up a great point, and I thought the same thing when this idea came to me, however later I saw a proposed EQ of Crowleys that had repeating values as well. For whatever reason he didn't see this as being a problem (I assume), although admittedly he never did anything with it. It was the Sanskrit based EQ.
As for the four extra, as I explain, I feel these could be attributed to the four suits. Do these four HAVE to be Trumps? My take was that perhaps that "circle squared" graphic hinted st this. The 22 being the Trumps, and the equal armed cross being the four elements.
I honestly don't know. It makes sense to me, but I'm no Adept. I was hoping by posting all this I could LEARN or realize where I'm mistaken, or possibly realize how it REALLY fits together IF it was something. Instead (except for you, and thank you) its ignored and mocked.
I don't mind criticism of real merit, like your points. I always assumed folks here, with what we are ultimately trying to do, would be more helpful and mature. Instead of fostering dispersion by (unwarrented) ridicule and mockery.
Thank you for your honest feedback, and good points. I appreciate it.
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@Bereshith said
"Hm.. I didn't know some of that.
Well, you have my opinion, for what that's worth. If Crowley repeated attributions, I have the same criticism of his attempt as well. Those are my only thoughts though..."
I misspoke. Crowley didn't devise a Sanskrit EQ, he had suggested Sanskrit as a base for a POSSIBLE English Qabalah.
After re-reading the source material I had seen years ago, I now realized it was actually devised by David Allen Hulse from Crowleys suggestion.
Just for the record for those interested here is a quote from "The Key of It All" regarding "Crowley's Sanskrit-English. Qabalah Based on Ka-Ta-Pa-Ya-Dhi".
"Crowley's second suggested Qabalah for English involves the use of the phonetic values of Sanskrit as a pattern for English. Crowley did not leave any such correlations in his printed writings. It is extremely doubtful that Crowley was aware of the Vedic numeral code outlined in the Sanskrit chapter found in Book One: The Eastern Mysteries. However, had Crowley been exposed to this marvelous numbering system, he would have been equipped with a valid tool which would have enabled him to render the Sanskrit numerical values for the phonetically equivelant English alphabet letters.
If we parallel the 26 English alphabet letters to their Sanskrit phonetic models, and then substitute the Sanskrit Vedic numbers for the English alphabet numeration, Crowley's envisioned Sanskrit-English Qabalah can be reconstructed."The results are:
A 0
B 3
C 6
D 8
E 0
F 2
G 3
H 8
I 0
J 9
K 1
L 3
M 5
N 0
O 0
P 1
Q 2
R 2
S 7
T 1
U 0
V 4
W 4
X 0
Y 1
Z 6In possible rebuttal to the repeated value problem, do you think that it is actually more of a problem when dealing with Hebrew & Greek? These would create a more open-ended system with too much manipulation based on the fact there are multiple ways to sound out a word (phonetic EQ) and or spell a word. English is more set in its spelling; "Nuit" is "Nuit" etc. Likewise there are corresponding Tarot and their related Hebrew attributed as well, setting apart each repeated value when dealing with a particular letter. Also, the repeated values may show an underlying link, as is the case suggested in the English Simplex and its Enumeration Table with its "5" column (5,14,23) for example. IDK Just a thought!
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Any reference to NAEQ is immediately removed from this forum as an unusually virulent piece of putjlence. Or I move the whole thread to to the Off-Topic / Plain Nuts sub-forum. However, the latter choice would be unfair to this thread as a whole.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Any reference to NAEQ is immediately removed from this forum as an unusually virulent piece of putjlence. Or I move the whole thread to to the Off-Topic / Plain Nuts sub-forum. However, the latter choice would be unfair to this thread as a whole.
."93 Jim,
I see now. Thank you. I had only a brief peek at that EQ before, but frankly couldnt make heads or tails out of it.
I would truly appreciate any feedback on this idea here of mine. Regardless if relevant only to myself, your thoughts on Bereshiths point of the repeated values would help me. He makes a valid point I initially thought of, but later had found in an Enochian version of an EQ, as well as the above Sanskrit EQ of Hulses repeated values. Your thoughts? Thank you in advance!
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Hello fellow members,
I just started learning The Key Of It All (English Qabalah) and found it verrrrrry interesting, it's incredible how well fit many words in a wonderful way. Look at the web of David Cherubim
"?? You would assume if there was some type of issue there would be enough dignity to let me know.