Purusha and prakritii
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of law.
Well, i was reading some publications when i encountered these terms... (my source: Black Pearl hehe
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Purusha was described as "seer" or "who that see", "spirit" &c., and prakritii was described as "the seen", "nature" or "matter"... what call my attention upon the "Thelemic's deity", Hadit and Nuit - that are described, in the commentaries of Liber AL, as the matter and the moviment, in the purely physic sense of the word.This is, for me, confirmed by some passages of Liber CCXX, like Cap. II:6-7, and many others...
Well, my only intent was call attention over this point, and open a discussion about this question.
I could be wrong, so please, tell me if i are.I have others thoughts about this issue, but for me is a bit hard write anything in english...
Love is the Law, Love under Will.
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Leo, I see a lot of similarity between Purusha-Prakriti and Hadit-Nuit, with the following major exception:
Had it, as a point within infinite space, is part of Nuit - a subset. On the other hand, Prakriti is defined as "everything that is not Purusha." It's not inclusive.
And, of course, they fall in different cultures and different training systems, and so are not quite the same. But the biggest difference I see is the one I mentioned above.
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Ohh thanks Jim
Yeah, i really don't gave the due attention on this point :L
I'll keep myself studying on this time...
...but i feel that i can reach on somewhere with these terms, idk
i'll study heheThanks
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Had it, as a point within infinite space, is part of Nuit - a subset. On the other hand, Prakriti is defined as "everything that is not Purusha." It's not inclusive."
This statement caught my attention -
As I have more viewed it as the set Nuit being composed of Hadit
If Nuit is the circle, then what She is, essentially, is an infinite number of Hadits
Since each point is equidistant from the center,
If we consider any two points which is the center and which is the circumference is unknown
Basically, each point on the circumference can easily be seen as Hadit (the center)
Thus every point is a circle, every circle a point:
Nuit = Hadit ; 0 = 2 -
Yeah, it's a good question... that make me think too.
But i think that the answer belong to these verses.
Nuit said:
Cap. I:4. Every number is infinite; there is no difference.
Cap. I:45. The Perfect and the Perfect are one Perfect and not two; nay, are none!Hadit said:
Cap. II:15. For I am perfect, being Not; and my number is nine by the fools; but with the just I am eight, and one in eight: Which is vital, for I am none indeed. The Empress and the King are not of me; for there is a further secret.so... i think that have one center on the infinte space, that is Hadit, the moviment, which rest into the infinite space... he told that never will be known, like the movement, the latent energy or not.
the consciousness of being is more regarded like RHK or HPK, maybe .-.well, i think that these verses could help, i'll read and meditate upon this, and try to discover an answer, unless someone tell her before hehe
yet, i can still wrong in all... :c
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I think you're making this all too hard and too complicated.
When you start reading the original Sanskrit works, and especially Samkhya, one thing that stands out is simplicity. There may be complicated mental constructs for purposes of labelling and cataloguing etc. - 25 rings of 25 kinds of vrittis (or whatever it is - I made that up). But, in the midst of all of it, there's a folksy "down home" simplicity.
Purusha is just the Sanskrit word for "person." (It's even used grammatically as in "1st person pronoun," etc.) So, behind all the metaphysics and complexity and the Atma vs. Yechidah vs. Hadit vs. Real Self vs. Whatever, Purusha just means the person.
And then the Samkhya philosphy goes on to say that everything that isn't "the person" is "something else," and all that "something else" is called prakriti.
And then the philosophy pauses to say, "Oh, by the way, a lot of stuff that you normally think of as part of you - part of the person - isn't really part of the person. It's part of that prakriti thing. For example, your thoughts aren't part of yoy. They're part of your environment."
And then, of course, Samkhya goes on to catalogue all the layers of the not-self as possible (perhaps to the point of absurdity).
But the underlying philosophy is simple, even folksy: There's a person. And there's the environment. And, oh yeah, a lot of what you normally think of as the person is actually part of the environment.
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ohh i understand it
sorry for making complications.
I believe (to not do more complications) end this matter here...
what you said above, Jim, is the sufficient, to end the question of this topic.Thanks
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I recommend reading source literature to get the feel of a system, but as I believe in speaking a little of the language and eating the food of a people to get how their psyches are wired.
Reading Patanjali's Yoga Sutras all the way through, especially against a Sanskrit original and really getting the meaning of the terms - that's a lot of work, and enormously powerful. (We spent a year doing that once in one of my classes in the '90s.) Also, I own the only copy of Kapila's Samkhya Philosophy that I've ever seen.
So much more understanding from reding the original works
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haha i have so much to study yet
...and that is the better part, in my point of view.
Well, i have a lot of books to read, and understand. Much homework.
I'll try to find the originals, but the problem is that most part of original books still in english, therefore i have to translate to portuguese, to be more easy read and understand it, as i have to read more times a book to get the content.Ahh and tanks for the tip, i'll try to find the Sutras.
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@Leo Buziki said
"I'll try to find the originals, but the problem is that most part of original books still in english, therefore i have to translate to portuguese, to be more easy read and understand it, as i have to read more times a book to get the content."
That sounds like a pretty good idea in general, that of translation into another language.
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Leo, we got some very good translations of the Yoga Sutras in Portuguese. The thesis of Lilian Gulmini, published by USP I believe, is my favorite one. Good work!
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@Uni_Verse said
"That sounds like a pretty good idea in general, that of translation into another language."
Yeah, this turn some books more acessible for the staff. But isn't a ease work haha
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@Faus said
"Leo, we got some very good translations of the Yoga Sutras in Portuguese. The thesis of Lilian Gulmini, published by USP I believe, is my favorite one. Good work!"
Yes Faust, you're really right. I made some search and found the Yoga Sutras in a interesting translation.. i'll read them and after other that i got also.
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There is one by Carlos Eduardo G. Barbosa. He is a specialist in sanscrit and a Shaiva. Very good work althought some times he is not as clear as I would like.
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Faust, is exactly that book that i got.