Telesmatic Images from Enochian names?
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Aurum Solis has its own reasons for this. I don't agree with them.
The telesmatic attributions of the Enochian letters is well-known and, for all but five of them, of very old provenance. I give these fully in *Visions & Voices, page 48. The attributions of the letters BABALON are:
Aries Taurus Aries Taurus Cancer Libra Scorpio. -
A good way to check for yourself is to use the telesma attributions of Hebrew. For example use an Archangel that turns up in say Heptarchia mysteria and also in Kabbalah. Once you have the telesmatic image generate it again using the enochian attributions and see if it is a near match. To double check you could use the vibratory formula in both enochian and hebrew and check the 'feel'. You should find they more or less match up and you would have fully verified it for yourself which I always find personally satisfying.
The method of science the aim of religion.
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There are many Hebrew archangels that appear in the Enochian source documents. They aen't Enochian at all - they're Hebrew. Do not treat their names as composed of Enochian letters.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"There are many Hebrew archangels that appear in the Enochian source documents. They aen't Enochian at all - they're Hebrew. Do not treat their names as composed of Enochian letters."
Some of these Angels also appear in the Holy Koran, perhaps they are simply Angels and do not posses some kind of Angelic cultural ethnicity.
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@axismundi said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"There are many Hebrew archangels that appear in the Enochian source documents. They aen't Enochian at all - they're Hebrew. Do not treat their names as composed of Enochian letters."Some of these Angels also appear in the Holy Koran, perhaps they are simply Angels and do not posses some kind of Angelic cultural ethnicity."
It's a question of the formulae through which their names are expressed.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@axismundi said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"There are many Hebrew archangels that appear in the Enochian source documents. They aen't Enochian at all - they're Hebrew. Do not treat their names as composed of Enochian letters."Some of these Angels also appear in the Holy Koran, perhaps they are simply Angels and do not posses some kind of Angelic cultural ethnicity."
It's a question of the formulae through which their names are expressed."
If the formula is different then the entity is different but looking at various of these texts they occasionally identify themselves as the same entity. So I politely disagree. For example by changing the rose cross letters to enochian letters we can get the same sigil for the same angel when we use it to trace the angels name.
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It's a different math, man.
If you're just transliterating to the Rose Cross Lamen, you're still using the same 3, 7, 12 Hebrew math and falsely equating different systems.
It's like a Base 10 Intelligence showed up and gave information about how to analyze and formulate Intelligences using a different mathematical Base. But he's still formulated using Base 10. It's not just different letters for the same thing.
But if you just transliterate the letters into Hebrew, you could trick yourself into thinking it's the same thing.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"These are given in many places. Here is an excerpt from the table in Black Pearl No. 1. (Enochian letters vs. astrological correspondence.)
A - Venus by night - Taurus
B - mars by day - Aries
C, K - Fire
D - Spirit
E - Mercury by night - Virgo
F - Cauda Draconis
G - Sun in N. Declination - Leo
H - Air
I, Y - Jupiter by Day - Sagittarius
L - Moon Waning - Cancer
M - Saturn by Day - Aquarius
N - Mars by Night - Scorpio
O - Venus by Day - Libra
P - Moon Waxing - Cancer
Q - Water
R - Jupiter by Night - Pisces
S - Mercury by Day - Gemini
T - Cauda Draconis
U, V - Saturn by Night - Capricorn
X - Earth
Z - Sun in South Declination - LeoThis whole thing is worked out, inch by inch, in a continuing series over five years worth of Black Pearls."
So, there's this system of letter correspondences for Enochian given by the Golden Dawn (not John Dee), and I don't yet understand why the choices were made. Apparently, I have some Black Pearl reading to do. But until I do, I'm left with cautious respect for something that doesn't make sense to me yet. Here's what it is.
When I look at the actual Enochian tables, they're geometrically constructed. Like I said, I haven't yet learned why the letters are given the specific astrological and elemental correspondences that they are given. Just looking at the tables themselves, my instinct is to say that SEEMS the letters are simply randomly distributed across the tables in a way to ensure that no local geometric combination of letters (name/sigil) ever repeats itself. In this way, each name constructed from the table always yields a unique shape and position on the table - the geometry of the table being important, no so much the combinations of the letter correspondences.
Now, I know that in "The Vision and the Voice," the names of the aethyrs are analyzed by Crowley, Jim, etc. using that system of letter correspondences. They were already in Crowley's head when he received the visions. By then, the correspondences had already become an accepted way of communicating ideas. That's fine with me. That works with my theory of how all this stuff (large scale) works to communicate thoughts between minds. But I haven't been able to verify for myself yet that this later system of correspondences really matches the logic of the Tables.
Specifically, when I'm thinking about names constructed from the tables (i.e. creating telesmatic images), I simply have not yet verified for myself, nor do I understand why, the Golden Dawn's Enochian letter-correspondences would carry any weight at all. Again, the position on the table (the geometrically described combination) seems to trump all other considerations, and I am under the impression that this is all that Dee himself ever considered - the Golden Dawn letter-correspondences coming later.
Bottom line: I'm not going to attempt to project any name onto the table that cannot be linearly created on the table by connecting squares. I'm not going to use Enochian letters (which may in fact have their own different logic of correspondences) to try to generate names originally formulated using Hebrew letter correspondences.
If you've got some information that I don't know. Feel free to tell me or point me in the right direction. I confess some ignorance in this.
But I know for sure the meanings of the Hebrew Letters are derived conceptually from the Sepher Yetzirah (more precisely, from the "Cube of Space" as it existed in tradition, unpublished before Paul Case) - and these particular meanings are expressed in the rose of the Rose Cross Lamen and its resulting sigils.
And I know for certain that Enochian tables are constructed using a different geometry - one expressing different hierarchical combinations of the elements - and these particular meanings are expressed in the Table and its resulting sigils.
And I'm just not going to mix the two up to see what I get. I'm just not. I'm happy with what sanity I have preserved for myself already.
Just remember that my opinion doesn't actually prevent you from doing anything at all.
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BTW, those attributions predate the G.D. by at least two centuries, maybe closer to three. (In fact, they screwed up a couple of attributions.) It isn't clear whether they came from the Dee work - remember, a lot of his diaries were burned - but it did come from the primary acquirer and publisher or his diaries.
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No attribution system is 100% accurate they are only general signposts. In my personal opinion someone who emphasis the symbol system in a Thomas Kuhn type quest for absolute truth through this; could be likened to hermanubis.
Perhaps only as a Gnana yoga type perspective is this useful.