Questions about Hadit's incongruities
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@Aion said
"Its called a theoretical model.
But we've already had this same conversation about three times now."
"See the problem with making sh!t up? If you can do it, I can do it. I just find it harder to keep a straight face while doing it." - LOS
I do not know why anyone engages with him. He's a looped track, a broken record. A troll by any other name is still a troll.
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@Takamba said
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@Aion said
"Its called a theoretical model.But we've already had this same conversation about three times now."
"See the problem with making sh!t up? If you can do it, I can do it. I just find it harder to keep a straight face while doing it." - LOS
I do not know why anyone engages with him. He's a looped track, a broken record. A troll by any other name is still a troll."
Lieutenant Dan - looking for his showdown.
[and if he finds that insulting, I'll delete it]
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Los, it's all made up dude. All of it. Even your lovely explication of the symbolism of Hadit.
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Ok guys. OP here. Let's just chill out and please refrain from turning this into a thread about how irritating Los (or Jim Eshelman) is.
You may be surprised to learn that I have found each of your responses (concerning the nature of Hadit) helpful. Eshelman's replies AND Los' replies! Oh gosh!
And just to clear some things up, Los,
A dot on a piece of paper can symbolize Hadit in 2D. Of course, that doesn't do a good job conveying any kind of motion. A point in 3D is a better symbol. A point in 4D is even better. I don't know what # of dimensions I am picturing when I picture a ubiquitous central point to an infinite sphere, but I think that it is an even better spacial symbol for Hadit. to paraphrase Jim in a way that I think is more true to what he was saying, a logic founded on 4D time-space can't be counted on to assess (say) 5D or 8D symbols. We are talking about spacial models for Hadit, which as you say, is a symbol for something that is more than just a spacial point. But a spacial point is an alright symbol for it.
But not the only symbol I find useful. Jim, you were not quite correct when you supposed that my original questions arose out of frameworks bounded by finite definitions of space, time. Perhaps finite conditions yes.
I suppose another way to frame my question is, "Is Hadit's nature modifiable? Is Hadit touchable by conditions?" But I think all of you answered my question pretty soundly.
THANKS GUYS!
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@Bryan said
"I suppose another way to frame my question is, "Is Hadit's nature modifiable? Is Hadit touchable by conditions?""
Crowley's answer was essentially this: No, Hadit is not modifiable; however, by entering into different experiences (joining with different particulars of reality), Hadit goes through a series of changed forms based on new combinations, in the same way that (say) an oxygen molecule doesn't exactly look just like oxygen when it compounds with other elements (say, forming organic compounds that make it look like a fish which, when eaten and redistributed by someone eating the fish, ends up looking like a human being etc.).
But you can extract the oxygen and it's back to being the same oxygen molecule.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"But you can extract the oxygen and it's back to being the same oxygen molecule."
Hmmm... This raises a question in my mind. The oxygen molecule likely won't be the "same" oxygen molecule since electrons in a molecule don't necessarily maintain their relationship to their original nucleus once bonding has occurred. It will look the same, act the same, etc... but it won't actually be the same 8 protons, 8 neutrons, and 8 electrons per atom and it's statistically unlikely that even the same two nuclei will ever bond together again into an identical molecule.
I realize this is nit-picking of a metaphor but... it does beg the question: Is there really anything, at least in the physical universe of 4D space-time, that isn't changed by conditions? I'd say no and extrapolate from that that an unmodifiable Hadit, whatever it is that the symbol is attempting to convey, must by logical definition not be of 4D space-time.
The Hadit called Hadit is not Hadit.
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The analogy of atomic particularity... Of course, some atoms decay and go through the process of being several different kinds of atoms.
Regardless, the smallest stable subatomic particles are actually stable energetic vibrations in a field. Some call them vibrating "strings." They are stabilized frequencies of vibration.
As a truly "atomic" particle, they cannot be further reduced without becoming nothing, which is Nothing. And this is one way in which each Hadit may be seen as a function of Nuit. Where the analogy of truly "atomic" particularity breaks down is the same place where Hadit dissolves into Nuit.
Or at least, this is my current understanding of the physics and how I make it analogous to The Book of the Law.
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Makes sense. And, as you said above, it is at this level of the truly "atomic" particle/waves that multidimensionality becomes a necessary tool of current theories of existence. Where standard ideas of matter and mass and energy lose their definitions.
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93,
The "Imagining the tenth dimension" website has an interesting method of visualizing 10 dimensions which begins with a point of indeterminate size and wraps it up nicely with all possible points, lines, and timelines philosophically accounted for in the tenth. The prior akin to our hadit and the latter our nuit. Worth a look in my opinion.
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