You mean I'm stuck like this?
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
@Takamba said
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@Vadox said
"Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ.
"In this case it is like saying "all things are relative."
Let me give you a practical example you can experiment with on your own.
Eat a chili pepper.
Next day, suck on an ice cube for 30 seconds on your tongue. Eat a chili pepper.
Same experience? No."
Oh, i got it. Its like having more sensitive finger tips
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
@Vadox said
"Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ.
"A brain with a 75 IQ probably isn't capable of Samadhi.
I mean, I don't want to rule anything out a priori, but Samadhi takes enormous brain energies to pull off. It's not a cessation, not a nothing, but rather an everything. (It's a "noting on balance.")
Not everyone has the capacity in a given lifetime to attain Samadhi. Most don't, just like most don't have the capacity, no matter how they train, to do a 6' high jump.
This doesn't mean any of the practice is lost. "Live like you have eternity before you" since, well, you do!
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
@frater aSP said
"Just a short example - in my genetic makeup I'm prone to addiction, depression, and mild OCD. Turns out that this is the perfect cocktail for me to obssessively engage with the spiritual life and learn how to care about details, which in turn led me to obssessively examine the depression until I found the root causes (both individual and ancestral), and then finally reroute and unbind those energetic ties into healthy pathways.
Within the process of genetic expression there lies such a huge ocean of possibilities in the unfolding of one's world, that there is no reason other than a masochistic one to look at a genetic predisposition as a weakness."Thank you for posting this. I too suffer from the maladies of depression and anxiety and have recovered from a life-threatening addiction. But I too have the bonus of redirecting all that obsessive energy towards Ritual, practice and study, intense exercise (running) which I would have never dreamed of being capable of in my previous life, AND at the current time directly most of my attention to getting to the root of my depression and anxiety. I would love to get off of the SRRI's I've been on for the past 20 years and with the help of my current therapist I'm beginning to become hopeful. It seems like the psyche drugs are becoming less and less effective.
93, 93/93 - Matt
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
93 all,
"May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. "
Examining this sentence brought me directly to tibetan buddhism. The process of being incarnated again, after a set of serious mistakes, that happens before you even get to the Womb-door.
[The ultimate success would be the Clear light of true Reality, which I take to mean Samadhi after death.]
Amongst the problems one faces when they get to the Womb door is enormous attraction to the images of male/female couples that eventually become your parents. I believe it is a magnetic, karmaic attraction to this couple and aware though you are, you experience your potential life after being concieved by this couple before you enter the Womb door. This includes all the positives and negatives about your body, mind, outlook, personality, horoscope, etc.
So, we are here to rectify the mistakes of our incarnation as best we can, and hopefully, if we are not able, incarnate ourselves in a better predicament next life in order to achieve the ultimate Samadhi upon death. -
Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
A significant difference between historic Eastern views of reincarnation and the Thelemic view is that Thelema regards it not as punishment, not as failure, but as a choice. In a sense, you described it that way also, but I read the inference that it was from a failure or mistake. Thelema regards it entirely as choice.
Consider, for example, this 11th collect from The Thelemic Mass which (give or take a word or two) is identical to the same collect in Crowley's Gnostic Mass:
"Unto them from whose eyes the veil of physical life hath fallen, may there be granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will absorption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve the labor and heroism of incarnation on this planet or another, or in any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the accomplishment of their wills; yea, the accomplishment of their wills."
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
93,
Well, I believe the tibetan culture does have a death fixation, so to them, incarnation is a mistake.
However, this is in their terminology.
What is the Thelemic process of incarnation after death? In other words, who would choose to be born blind for example? Or choose to have an IQ of 75? -
Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
There isn't a standard answer, but there are a lot off possible answers. One takes on limitations in order to grow, and one places oneself on the opposite side of an issue to increase understanding. Of course, some people do have a sense of self-punishment.
Jumpers wear heavy weights - which technically hold them back - to strengthen them to jump higher
When you live in eternity, a particular incarnation is just another day at the office, another day in the classroom.
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
Yet in this classroom we are able to find our True Will as the dynamic expression of our innermost being and once this is done we realize that our problems are actually the lesson that we're to learn and should embrace it/them. So the end game is not another incarnation, once we are in perfect Samadhi...or do we come down again incarnate and crawl in the filth and deal with newer problems because that is what the universe has expressed for us?
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
But this life is elegant and amazing, too.
There are many choices. Bodhisattvas are committed to continuing incarnation to assist in the liberation of others. Some move on. Some like to play here.
And Samadhi is hardly the threshold. Samadhi isn't all that hard. (It's a definite attainment, make no mistake; but it's not a be-all and end-all.) Of course, there are many grades or stages or types of Samadhi.
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Hi everyone,
I am reading Liber LXV (currently the one with Motta's commentary, whom I still have an purely objective opinion of) and I came across Verse 3 in Chapter 2:
3. O Thou that sittest upon the Earth! (so spake a certain Veiled One to me) thou art not greater than thy mother! Thou speck of dust infinitesimal! Thou art the Lord of Glory, and the unclean dog.
(Crowley's comment) - "A “Veiled One” (Isis) explains that no individual consciousness can be more than the sphere of which it is born and which constitutes its environment. It is equally supreme and vile, these qualities being illusions produced by artificial relations, which may be chosen at will.
(Motta's Comment) - May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
This is one of the many reasons-all of them selfish, We assure-why the Adepts are continuously trying to improve mankind. The healthier, subtler, more complex combinations are available, the greater the chances of expansion. Samadhi experienced by the brain of a 75 IQ is not the same as that of a brain of 300 IQ. Even if it happens to be the same kind of samadhi. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. But you can make a beautiful purse out of pig leather, if you are skillful, and the pig healthy enough before death. In short, you must work with the material at your disposal, you must accept the fact that this material is basically an animal, and you must never make the mistake of denying or mortifying or restricting the beast in you. It must be trained, not broken!Regarding this line: May be chosen at will before incarnation, and even then within limits. After incarnation, you are bound by your genetic limitations. You can do much, as in Initiate; but you are limited by your inherited combination of chromosomes.
What are your thoughts on the verse but as well as Motta's take on it? Can someone with experience chime it?
The way it looks to me is he is saying no matter how far one progresses upward spiritually you will still be limited at best, with how much control you have over changing or improving your physical vessel. Was this the case for the other major enlightened masters throughout past Aeons?
93,
I saw the easy answer elsewhere on this forum in another post that I can't find at the moment.
Essentially that "Something is Better than Nothing".