Hearing voices
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Regarding your technique for discernment: Respectfully, I don't think it takes seriously enough the idea that our own unconscious minds can and do produce "information" of an unbidden and unexpected nature. It does so frequently in dreams. In other words, it could still be the words of a representation of an individual created by your unconscious mind (as in a dream), with no connection to the actual individual's thoughts.
Objective (outside) confirmation is necessary to test the percentage of correct "reads" enabled by the discernment technique you describe.
Honestly, I believe I've experienced both, the real and the imagined, yet I can't tell just from the "hearing," and I don't know what to tell you except not to bet your reputation on anything you hear.
Note: I went through a Saturn transit conjunct my natal Neptune once. It broke all the rules. It was as if my own mind was trying purposely to deceive me. I've become a lot more skeptical about it since then.
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@Hermitas said
"Regarding your technique for discernment: Respectfully, I don't think it takes seriously enough the idea that our own unconscious minds can and do produce "information" of an unbidden and unexpected nature. It does so frequently in dreams. In other words, it could still be the words of a representation of an individual created by your unconscious mind (as in a dream), with no connection to the actual individual's thoughts.
Objective (outside) confirmation is necessary to test the percentage of correct "reads" enabled by the discernment technique you describe.
Honestly, I believe I've experienced both, the real and the imagined, yet I can't tell just from the "hearing," and I don't know what to tell you except not to bet your reputation on anything you hear.
Note: I went through a Saturn transit conjunct my natal Neptune once. It broke all the rules. It was as if my own mind was trying purposely to deceive me. I've become a lot more skeptical about it since then."
Yes it's quite tricky and definitely needs objective confirmation along the way, that's why most importantly is knowing one's True Will, the mind and even the body will never rest and will have countless changing states on the path of initiation, letting it subject to the True Will is the end goal, be it a suggested projection or synchronistic telepathy; they should both result in Love.
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@Ab-ul-Az said
"Yes it's quite tricky and definitely needs objective confirmation along the way, that's why most importantly is knowing one's True Will, the mind and even the body will never rest and will have countless changing states on the path of initiation, letting it subject to the True Will is the end goal"
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"be it a suggested projection or synchronistic telepathy; they should both result in Love."
How? All things result in love. Love, in the Thelemic sense, is the outcome of dissolving barriers. It is not a Silent Witness but an Ardent and Aloof Participant, such is Hadit. I didn't ask "how?" in order to challenge what you're saying. I'm genuinely asking you to delineate its methodology.
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Love Love love
all things come from Love and are the result of love and there is nothing but Love, and everything else is a Lie.I sometimes have so much going on, in what would seem to be a psychic level, so many bits of information and words and feelings that arise and try to influence me. and gosh they sure do whirl me around and shake me up.
I think though for me, that when I hear the voices, or see the birds in the tree as sign, or open the book to the perfect passage My true will my heart, my soul, my little Hadit in the world takes these lieing sensory expierences and weighs them against what my heart knows is the truth. but its not weighing them, I think so much as the scales are more akin to music scales and I am weighing them against what is my own natural rythem, and if it does not mess haromically with that it is rejected.
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@Angel of Death said
"Love Love love
I sometimes have so much going on, in what would seem to be a psychic level, so many bits of information and words and feelings that arise and try to influence me. and gosh they sure do whirl me around and shake me up.""Farther and farther we float; yet we are still. It is the chain of systems that is falling away from us. First falls the silly world; the world of the old grey land. Falls it unthinkably far, with its sorrowful bearded face presiding over it; it fades to silence and woe. We to silence and bliss, and the face is the laughing face of Eros."
"We attained to be starry grains of gold dust in the sands of a slow river. Yea, and that river was the river of space and time also. We parted thence; ever to the smaller, ever to the greater, until now, O sweet God, we are ourselves, the same."
"There is a solemnity of the silence. There is no more voice at all. So shall it be unto the end. We who were dust shall never fall away into the dust. So shall it be."
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@Angel of Death said
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what perfect and beautiful words, thank you for sharing."
Namaste.
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@Angel of Death said
"thanks
I see you too
Namaste Brother"
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@seekinghga said
"How? All things result in love. Love, in the Thelemic sense, is the outcome of dissolving barriers. It is not a Silent Witness but an Ardent and Aloof Participant, such is Hadit. I didn't ask "how?" in order to challenge what you're saying. I'm genuinely asking you to delineate its methodology."
You are correct in your scientific explanation of Love.
I would say the first thing is knowing thy self, knowing your own history and nature both in this life and another ones if possible, that way in my opinion it won't matter where it is coming from if it's assisting your True Will, other than that; it is simply good food for social and psychological analysis and examination.I stated earlier that an external source will manifest usually through the 'inner ear', the frontal lobe area, where obviously the ajna chakra is, this is its job. It is sudden and not reached for, and mostly (superficially) incoherent. Crowley in one of his letters stated that the body of light is a good tool for helping the student at critical times in throwing either warnings or hints, and this goes well with my experience.
It's probably the elemental bodies both in their lights and shadows communicating if not intermingling at that plane and working like antennas for each other, resulting in such telepathic experiences. These elemental 'bodies of light' are like vehicles with no solid sense of 'I' or mind, and if they're not taken with care they will be an astral dumping ground.