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Who's the "Great Architect" in Thelema?

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    FiatYod
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    I know that some Thelemites are Freemasons, even Crowley was (not sure if he left Freemasonry after he received the Law).
    So when a Thelemite takes part in a Masonic ritual, and they speak of the Great Architect of the Universe, how should the Thelemite interpret it?
    Since there is no definition of a creator in Thelema, which one would be the most natural choice:

    1. The HGA
    2. Hadit in the context of Nuit
    3. Nuit, Hadit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit as one
    4. Something different altogether

    Thanks!

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    Takamba
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    Like all things
    through the route of degrees
    change is stability
    and stability is change
    Only the Master knows the secret name

    Who is the great magician who makes the grass green?

    hint: Robert Anton Wilson was an original G

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    FiatYod
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    @Takamba said

    "Like all things
    through the route of degrees
    change is stability
    and stability is change
    Only the Master knows the secret name
    "

    Replying in verse, before Corvinae even left a comment! That's nice.
    I don't really mind the names, but rather what they represent.

    @Takamba said

    "Who is the great magician who makes the grass green?
    "

    From a Thelemic perspective, is it truly one great magician? If so, it would seem that the answer is close to the third option that I proposed (because, all things considered, the greenness of the grass stems from the functions of all three). Do you agree?

    @Takamba said

    "hint: Robert Anton Wilson was an original G
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    Never heard of this guy, but I've just briefly read the Wikipedia page about him, and I don't understand his relevance to this question.

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    Takamba
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    @FiatYod said

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    @Takamba said
    "Like all things
    through the route of degrees
    change is stability
    and stability is change
    Only the Master knows the secret name
    "

    Replying in verse, before Corvinae even left a comment! That's nice.
    I don't really mind the names, but rather what they represent.
    "

    Thank you for the nod. Yes, inspired by the virtual presence of Corvinae (or any other alias she will later go by).
    What this verse represents is that the answer that could be given to your question is actually one that will change over time, and when it doesn't change (and yes, figuratively it is always one of those three you mention in answer number three), the meanings will change. "The song remains the same" but the understanding of it does not.

    *CORRECTION
    It's "All of the above."

    @FiatYod said

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    @Takamba said
    "Who is the great magician who makes the grass green?
    "

    From a Thelemic perspective, is it truly one great magician? If so, it would seem that the answer is close to the third option that I proposed (because, all things considered, the greenness of the grass stems from the functions of all three). Do you agree? "

    Yes, see my response above. The zen-like koan created or quoted by Robert Anton Wilson represents the idea that it is I who create the meanings in this world of mine (yours, only in as much as you allow my influence, whereas you are the one then for yourself making 'the grass green.'

    @FiatYod said

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    @Takamba said
    "hint: Robert Anton Wilson was an original G
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    Never heard of this guy, but I've just briefly read the Wikipedia page about him, and I don't understand his relevance to this question."

    He was a famous Thelemite, Freemason, Shriner, Discordian, Ceremonial/Chaos/Freebird Magician. He's known for co-authoring the infamous and famous Illuminati "Trilogy." He's quite the clown!

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    Corvinae
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    Ha!

    I do have a day job
    Its fun and carefree
    And all of the children
    They really love me

    We build bright new worlds
    In thier fertile fields
    Of grey matter
    and and baby curls

    Who designs the best forts
    Or pirate ships to sail
    Around the worlds ports
    Each one says, tis I

    Each name that Ive had
    Each name I have switched
    Was because my ego
    Had started to twitch

    It pushed and it pulled
    It bound me in chains
    Till I squirmed like a worm
    Freeing myself from those pains

    How should a Thelemite respond
    Do you ask
    When in the room filled
    With Masons agasts

    Calling out names
    and old fashioned games
    I would respond the same
    I a room full of babes

    Who build little worlds
    In thier minds all afresh
    With new words of power
    To them all a fresh.

    The line of green
    That defines how and why
    Can and should be pushed out
    Bit by bit
    By and by

    My name that I have
    Right now on the list
    Is an egg over easy
    And scrambled the best

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    Corvinae
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    @FiatYod said

    "I know that some Thelemites are Freemasons, even Crowley was (not sure if he left Freemasonry after he received the Law).
    So when a Thelemite takes part in a Masonic ritual, and they speak of the Great Architect of the Universe, how should the Thelemite interpret it?

    Thanks!"

    If I personally was ever at a ritual or event and someone/organization spoke of some great architect......

    I would recall that the origin of the word architect means "to weave or to fabricate"

    If I was at a play dough building party and someone spoke of the great dough shaper

    I would interpret it the same.

    If I was over at Takambas house for tea and toast and he talked about how he grew the bergamot and ground the flour for my meal.......

    Well I would interpret that as he knows the truth and the heart of building something real and important.

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