Podcast quote: Damien Echols: Building the Light Body
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My one close quasi-Thelemic friend keeps sending me Damien Echols podcasts and interviews.
I know we're all super-critics, and I'm not really looking for people's opinions of the man.
This, however, was an interesting part of the interview, and I was wondering if it spurred any thoughts in anyone.
Echols: "...but once you have reached that stage of development (transitioning into the body of light at death), you have transcended all limitations. Limitations that we have like space and time, you no longer are even bound by those. So say, for example, you have a holy man wandering through the desert in the Middle East somewhere in the year of 1200, and he has no food and no water. And he's going through this desert probably facing certain death, but he has faith. He loves God with his whole heart, and he believes that God is going to take care of him, [that] God is going to provide for him. He may not know how. He can't see a way, but that doesn't mean there isn't a way. He has faith in God.
You can then go back to that year, to that time period, and become the seed that will turn into an oasis that will provide that holy man with water and sanctuary so that he can continue his practices and complete this process.
We want everyone to be able to this because the more people who wake up, the faster everyone else is gonna start to wake up. And then once everyone is awake, then we start to wake up something bigger."
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Interviewer: "Now, you were talking about how when we build the light body individually that something comes from that afterwards that has to do with some kind of collective evolution. What was that? I didn't quite get it.Echols: "Well, think of... What it really comes down to - and this is really hard to articulate - but it's size. Every single thing in our universe is made of consciousness - is made of vibration. Scientists used to think that we lived in a sold world. We know now that we don't live in a solid world. Our senses perceive it that way, but it's not. Everything around us is made of protons, neutrons, elections waves, and particles. Well, all that is - is sound waves. That's all it comes down it. It is vibration. Everything in the universe consists of vibration.
Remember while ago whenever I said that we are all part of one organism - like one person might be a finger, one person might be a toe? Once we wake up, we realize that all together, we are still combined - just another part of an even bigger organism that all of us collectively may just be the thumb of this intelligence."
from Sounds True: Insights at the Edge podcast. "Damien Echols: Building the Light Body."
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I remember back in the 80s when I was very much anti-new-age. Then for a little while, after studying Crowley, I was still anti-new-age and sometimes even worse.
All words are wise and all prophets true, or something like that, save they only blah blah blah
You know the drill. And I agree. So... with that in mind...
Fascinating concepts of which I am encountering experiences and magickal devices that are indicating something similar - but far from exact - and has a lot more to do with "we are all one in the end" type stuff, but at the same time we are all individuals, and we will have had all experience.
I mean.... am I making sense?
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I'm going to make a very bold statement and I'm not yet claiming this to be truth but it is in my mind for the moment. The notion we are all one is a good one, but there's something silly, Crowley says, about the notion that God is a vast flame that divided Himself into infinite tiny flames simply in order to return again. We are all individual and eternal is what Liber Al teaches instead. This can cause some confusion because seemingly both truths are real to the magician if he takes them. Or she (oops). Anyway, there's also some discussion Crowley has in his commentaries about being the everybody, and there's talk he's put in several writings about re-incarnation. At some points he discusses reincarnation as if it were a given and provable thing (vis Liber Thisharb for example), but also he says that all the memories of past lives really add up to nothing practical, and they shouldn't be to concerning to the magician. That was confusing to me. I'm reincarnated, there's karma involved, and there's something about my True Will involved, but Is shouldn't really focus on it and we're all one but we're not and also there's a warning about a certain stage where solipsism becomes a potential trap in the understanding of things. Oh really? Solipsism looks like what is real but it isn't exactly solipsism and that would be a trap? Confusing? What if
What if? What if John Lennon had it right? I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. That is.... why are there so many reincarnations of Isis and Cleopatra and Ceasar and Crowley walking around on any given day?!?
BECAUSE
It's all true! In a universe of infinite space and infinite time, infinite possibilities are all realities! The ego dies at death (God I hope) but the core, the Hadit, remains. It enters a new "life" (ego consciousness) beyond this one. And since we have all of infinity at our disposal, then we all take the ride!
Buy the ticket, take the ride. You are an incarnation of John Dee, Mister Crowley, Me, Your Mother, Timothy Leary, and Hunter S. Thompson. You just don't know it yet. (Also, time is not linear in this model).
Anyway, that's the gist of the model I'm contemplating these days - not sure how valuable it is.
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@Corvinae said
"All the memories of past lives
Or what I had for breakfast are pointless.What is your point right now
Thats what mattersI am star dust
I am everything
And nothing
And dwell in NaughtAnd so do I"
Not untrue for sure. It's very similar to what Crowley said about it - memories of past lives are as useful as remembering what I had for breakfast - which, in this life's experience is
wait for it
VERY USEFUL
Wham! I'm out cold. I'm conscious again. There's an ambulance driving crew hovering over me. Who am I? Where am I? What day is it? Do I remember what I had for breakfast?
oh ambulance drivers take me on your bark through this Bardo to the other side in life
There's that. The consciousness of the continuity of existence. The evidence of my joy. There's that.
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I guess my real question had to do with what sort of larger "being's" evolution could humanity be a part of.
I guess it just means that once we all have light bodies, etc. (if that's real), then we go on to be involved in the evolution of other planets.
Cool, I guess.
Gonna take a while.
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@Hermitas said
"TL/DR: Somebody suggested that once humanity was fully evolved, we may go on to participate in the evolution of something larger. That’s the facet I found interesting."
I dont think we are waiting or as you say "may"
I think we are. Right now. Imperfectly perfect as we are.I read about a goat. It was born with only two back legs.
The little thing adapted and started walking around on its back legs.
Poor thing at about a year was sttuck n killed by a car.
The autopsy showed the craziest thing, its physixal body had actually contorted its muscles and shifted its bones to faciliate its need to adapt.
Now scuence says that evolution is genetic (or SOME Science anyhoo) and that dna genetics and mutations in that is the marker for what we call evolution.
That goat evolved, it changed and overcame its limitations so that it could survive.Right now we are moving forward and reshaping and growing. Its not that we may. We are.
It may take time to have these adapations show up in dna, but it doesnt mean that the work isnt being done to adapt to our ever changing environment.
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I think we are all ready doing that.
As part and parcel to Nuit,
THAT which has been divided,
Naturally flows back to the source.0 becomes 1,
a single verse becomes many;
Each beckoned, two
spin , turn, face
"The Sun"
Praise IT, Tell IT
What has been done !