The Mystics' Rede

seekinghga

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"A mystic is anyone who meditates to experience the altered states of awareness that come about by suppressing the attention of the mind to a single thing, until the outgoing tendencies of that mind desist and there is left only the awareness of pure being, experiencing itself alone; time, space and causality are placed back into their folder of Conveniences For Linear Mental Comprehension"

This arrested me.
Planted doubt - is this all a lie ?

That is an issue, I perceive, regarding Mysticism.
Moment you go Prose-Ey , the rose becomes a Pose-Ey!"

What's your issue? It's simply a brief explanation of dharana and dhyana.

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@seekinghga said
" The mind is what the mystic needs to discipline and focus, and the mind is their only tool for doing this, and the mind is their only instrument which can gauge the results; mind is tester, lab and conclusion in one when it comes to meditation."

At some point 'The Mystic' should absolve the Mind,
"Pure Conciousness" ; the problem, being :
Language is a disease of the MIND
To speak of it entails placing it in a construct,
I would argue that is not the "nature state""

Can you rephrase that? I'm talking from the standpoint of extensive firsthand experience with this stuff. In Yoga the mind MUST be disciplined and the mind MUST be focused. Yet the mind is THE ONLY way to gauge the development of both of those things, basing its premise on the actual progress of one's meditation. And this is done primarily for the sake of the record. Again this is very basic Yoga, man. Cheers.

Uni_Verse

NOTE: I did not realize part of your post was cut off until I was in the middle of responding. I am just going to leave this here and create a separate post.

@seekinghga said

"What's your issue? It's simply a brief explanation of dharana and dhyana."

Oh, I have MORE than one , and one, and one....
Limiting my self to one, for the moment, it would be the "run-on" nature of the sentence.
I feel it touches those things, but does not explain them well.
With the added context and further thought it could be a matter of stylistic choices....

Uni_Verse

I thought it amusing, that originally your response included the term "reph"
Confused, I was lead to an image and the following article :

www.theringer.com/2018/12/12/18137221/far-right-occult-symbol

I have not read the article, though I plan to.

seekinghga

@Uni_Verse said

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Oh, I have MORE than one , and one, and one....
Limiting my self to one, for the moment, it would be the "run-on" nature of the sentence."

I write the way that I write because I can. The bottom line: if you don't like it then don't read it.

"I feel it touches those things, but does not explain them well."

It explains them perfectly, though it's lacking in detail because it was only a brief summary which was my intention in including it before moving on.

" thought it amusing, that originally your response included the term "reph""

I've never used that term in my life. So it seems you've moved from nonsense to outright lying?

You used to post on the old occultforum.org. I was Luke Saint there. I remember you Uni_Verse, and after over ten years it seems you still feel the need to frame your words in pseudo-mystical babble. Whereas I can say what I want to say in very concise and very clear language that anyone of average intelligence with an above-average vocabulary can comprehend. Though, I will admit that I've probably sent more than a few people to the Merriam-Webster trauma ward...

You do know that when Crowley was talking about The Fool of Aleph he didn't mean an actual jester? If that's what you want, however, there was a poster by the name of Asisa who left a treasure mine of the stuff. Veritable vainglorious veins upon veins of proud pyrite, and all yours for the taking, bub. Mazel tov!

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Uni_Verse

@seekinghga said

" Whereas I can say what I want to say in very concise and very clear language that anyone of average intelligence with an above-average vocabulary can comprehend."

You go ahead and keep doing what you WANT,
I shall continue to do my WILL

Uni_Verse

@seekinghga said

"So it seems you've moved from nonsense to outright lying? "

This honestly bothered me...
Like... Really ?
If after 10 years you still doubt my sincerity,
You have been reading all my posts with a blind-fold.

If this was just about YOU,
I would not have bothered responding.

It is about the experience of each individual who reads them.
My poems, as I see it, are gifts from the Uni Verse
Through Me,
Offering my love and affection to whomever may stumble upon them.

I am not such a fool to believe I could absolve people of their suffering...
Well, maybe... just a little

Uni_Verse

There is a DIFFERENCE,
If you do not confound the space-marks.

Of course, you would not know
Since you are not Me,
So let me tell You:

I have been TRYING to compose prose -
Yet when I take the time to write as such
I get logged out.
Being lazy, I log back in.
Give you the CLIFF NOTES

Yeah, yeah, yeah
"I KNOW"
I should have learned by now
THINGS, take me a while
Then I bring them into my heart
For all the UNIVERSE
to experience

REALLY, HONESTLY, TRUELY :
If I could give these Reponses
AS I WILL -
THEY, would be SONGS
I sing to you...

pew pew pew
I shoot You
With my "Heart Cannon"
u ded
I kill you

Uni_Verse

TIME ! TIME ! TIME !
I barely have the time to abstract a billion years of experience...
A Single Night of Fiery Truth -
Yet you expect prose ?
OH THAT BIG ASS & NOSE

Me is but the scribe for the I who dictates the "one verse."

Uni_Verse

O!
HA ! HA!
Do you want to get married?
Say
"Yes," aloud, to
U N I V E R S E
and one day we might meet,
I will whisper something into your ear
We will make LOVE
And in the fire of our passion,
WE shall become as ashes
Carried by the Wind

Uni_Verse

One thing, I think, to be clear:
I offer no guarantees ; only, possibilities
I am a RUNNER,
My Fathers Sun

Hermitas

Nuptials?

Goodness, I’ve been away. I didn’t know we were to the proposals already.

Hermitas

@Uni_Verse said

"I found, the sound of the Rede "to be" delightful

Until :

@seekinghga said

"A mystic is anyone who meditates to experience the altered states of awareness that come about by suppressing the attention of the mind to a single thing, until the outgoing tendencies of that mind desist and there is left only the awareness of pure being, experiencing itself alone; time, space and causality are placed back into their folder of Conveniences For Linear Mental Comprehension"

This arrested me.
Planted doubt - is this all a lie ?

That is an issue, I perceive, regarding Mysticism.
Moment you go Prose-Ey , the rose becomes a Pose-Ey!"

“Is this all a lie?”

It certainly seems to hurt, and that’s probably more relevant than whether or not it’s “real.”

What do either of you make of it?

Uni_Verse

@Hermitas said

"Goodness, I’ve been away. I didn’t know we were to the proposals already."

A straight line , being infinite, can never be traversed.
Following brings you "Closer" or "Farther"
Yet never reaching, T(w)o

Thus:
We Zig, We Zag
Leap & Laugh !

@Hermitas said

"It certainly seems to hurt, and that’s probably more relevant than whether or not it’s “real.”"

I would think so. In my experience it tends to represent resistance.
It can be an indication of a reaction to the words based on passed experiences,
or a 'Truth' you do not wish to see, so you distract yourself, quite easily....

To be clear I shared my "search findings" because I felt the "image was really freaking cool."
Any pain or hurt was unintentional; rather than fight, and grow apart:
With an injection of MAGICK into MYSTICISM
Let us transmute it into LOVE & LIGHT !

Uni_Verse

I my self got a little triggered when my sincerity was questioned...
When I was younger I was quite the internet troll
I still, often, am labeled a Troll on "Social Media"
However on this Forum, and other such places that discuss similar topics
I have taken great pains to be sincere and avoid being antagonistic.

Hermitas

I learned that you get "psychically" linked to an argument and its voices.. "Center of Pestilence"? Maybe.

Whatever that means, I got really tired of it.

Uni_Verse

@Hermitas said

"I learned that you get "psychically" linked to an argument and its voices."

Mystically speaking I would say such links should be severed.
"Buddhist non-attachment"
Magickally they can be a useful tool.
"Thelemic de-attachment"

Where- in the Mind of the Magician
Tens, Hundreds, Thousands - iterations may occur
In the passing of a 'mortal second'

Danica

@Uni_Verse said

"The Mystics' Rede (of I)

four-square, mystic,
I am a Nigh-hil-is-tic!
Who can know nothing,
there : being, no
thing to know

Though I dare
O, my god !
I DO, DARE : TO WILL
To feel, to think, to be-leaf

When, said:
"This is THAT,"
I recoils, horrified
At the denial of my validity
Sanctity of my solemn-I-ty
Accepting, Respecting
Beliefs
Best I can do as a fellow Me
to You

TOOT, TOOT
HOOT, HOOT"

Reading this just brought Brightness of Laughter, pure-undiluted-solar-simple-Happiness, to start my day!