College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

According to Bill Hamilton (a semi-famous Vipassana meditator and teacher), the arahat Taungpulu Sayadaw chose to reincarnate and take the Bodhisattva bow, this was on the whim of his teacher, who wanted one of his students to reach arahatship and teach Vipassana, and his other student to take the Bodhisattva vow.

The former was Mahasi Sayadaw, the latter was Taungpulu Sayadaw.

The issue of masters reincarnating who have seemingly ended rebirth is dealt with in the Mahayana and Vajrayana vehicles or branches of Buddhism, it appears to be somewhat of a paradox, or "learning what you already know", so there's no real need to rehash it. (What happens is a snag is hit, and so the computer pauses, and delves deeper and deeper (what are these called? successive, delved, nested loops? iterations or stacks or whatever, check out recursive functions), into what it already knows, thus it appears like things are "happening", but time-space is really frozen, it hasn't moved in forever, and is hinged on some problem which it is unable to solve)

Even then, the Zen master Hakuin Ekaku, stated that the ultimateness of Awakening was none other than being a bodhisattva and teaching others!

This phenomenon is often demonstrated with individuals who purposely strip themselves of all attainments and enter the void again, to do it all over again. I think Christ is a good example of this (someone who emptied himself of Godhead, and made the journey all over again).

You might check out the Tulku phenomenon, and the seeming presence of already enlightened individuals, who merely recapitulate the journey, see: Adi Da Samraj.

I have a friend like this, he's somewhat mysterious to me

The other issue of an 8=3 backsliding into "black brotherhood" is a non-issue, because it assumes permanence, or a linear version of time (past, present, future), etc

Any attainment is not "permanent", because it has not happened yet, and so what seems like an "awakening" or "attainment", happening at some point in space-time, is really not that, but something that has already happened, intimating itself through an appearance of causality (it happening)

Thus there is no permanence "up there", nothing is sticky, and in the 4D space, anything can be rearranged, "down here" it appears like things are being lost

(the 4D space is a space where time-space is "frozen", and so things don't really happen, rather they are moved around, but down here it appears like things are happening, or are lost, maybe they are just being sorted)

But it has already happened

Think about how a pen looks if you shove it through a 2D plane, it looks like it's changing, yet to us the pen is unchanging, it is just one pen, it's being shoved through a plane

Similarly in the 4D space, "where everything that can happen, has happened", time-space is "frozen", yet this "already happened" (immanent, and absolute event, hence the subitism argument) intimates itself through a seed-effect causality-like happening, as if things are happening, or that there is a genesis

This is an illusion

So when an arahat reincarnates, he is not losing anything, because he has never had anything, all the pieces of the puzzle are still up there, but are being sorted in some realm wherein we cannot tell why they are there, so "the subjective appearance", may be that the arahat regains his enlightenment

Who knows though

93,

~JJ

Edit:

In 4D space-time things that "happened" in the past can be changed, so while it appears like there is "permanence" or that things can be lost, in reality the pieces are still there, but taken out of our awareness, and being rearranged

It's slightly creepy

So everything there is "frozen", or remains there, but we may not be aware of all those things

It's more of a space where there are a finite amount of pieces that can be changed and rearranged around, but to us it appears like things are "happening" or being reversed (the past being changed), etc

There is no "out there" (somewhat of a separate idea, relating to Advaita Vedanta)

Edit 2:

In other words, what has been gained, apparently, through time, can in fact be lost, because in the 4D space, it is not time (and thus, certainty, or, the past), but in fact a space, wherein things can be rearranged, so the past is not sealed, and nothing, happens

Edit 3:

Time gives the illusion that the past is immutable or sealed, but in a space, things can be rearranged, nevertheless it appears, to "happen through" time, and time is the medium of the intimation of the frozen object, which knows no time, and already is the case, we're merely getting glimpses of it

I guess that's why some people say time is cyclical

@Patriel Machad said

"Well, it is obvious. That's the point.

In any case, as a Master of the Temple (or one in the making), you see my "contempt" (or whatever it is) as an instrument of your delight. So, "to hell with [you]"!

Peace. "

You know that "enlightened etiquette" doesn't really imply that you're enlightened, and no one is going think that a certain individual is enlightened because they respond to people in a certain way on an Internet forum (unless of course, that actually happens)

Anyways, what follows is really just for me:

What I meant earlier by the "SO OBVIOUS", is really just a form of "begging the question", or the "appeal to the obvious", which in fact may not be obvious, but really, nebulous

And in effect, my own "Abyss crossing", happened like this:

It spontaneously initiated itself at the age of 15 for me, prior to this "event", I had been doing no spiritual practices, nor any meditation, nor was I involved with any religion (to a great degree, I was somewhat a fan of Buddhism)

Some sort of roller coaster started, and a bunch of events in my life conspired together to create this coasting or "avalanche" effect, wherein everything fell together, this went on for only a few brief months

If I recall correctly it was around Oct-Nov of the the previous year, to around May of the next year, so perhaps six months in total

At the end of the process, wherein I had "failed" to cross, it was only then that I had become aware of the enormity of the "thing" I had failed to do, which, I didn't know was happening at the time

In some sense, perhaps it was "my" desire to "hijack" the process that didn't let it follow through

Prior to the event there was a slow, but steady trepidation that crept up to the "avalanche", it was somewhat of an intimation, or suspense, that something big was going to happen, finally it initiated itself, although in some senses I helped it and created the drama, I couldn't "hold water anymore" (that is how I described it to some people)

Eventually, "I" died, somehow, inexplicably, and have been residing in some sort of wasteland ever since

The events that surrounded the "initiation" were "incidental", "consciously" ("at the time"), they were what I complained about

The crossing itself, also incidental!

Prior to the "thing happening", almost zero spiritual practice, I did do a few sits of Vipassana on my own, but these sits were around 10 minutes each time, and there were no more than 5 serious ones

"During the thing", if that can even be said, almost no spiritual practice, but was assiduously involved in reading Chinese astrology (Sizhu Bazi)

And only afterwards, did I become aware that I had failed in something that I wasn't even consciously doing!

So I attempted to pick up the pieces

Cheers friend!

Hey all,

My name is JJ (not my real name, obviously), I like spirituality, NLP, PUA, I read some "red pill" stuff (from the Internet, that loose collection of blogs known as the Manosphere), I like Reichian therapy

I study Computer Science, I'm a fan of Stephen Jourdain (the enlightened French dude who woke up at 16), um, yeah

I feel like there's a lot to say, so I'm just not going to say anything, but,

Cheers!

@Patriel Machad said

":shock:"

Dude, I really dislike it when someone just posts an emoticon, as if it is SO OBVIOUS, what you are in shock about, or think is stupid, or not to be listened to

This particular annoys me, because: if there's something that you think is dumb, you should be able to say it, clearly and concisely (as well as precisely)

When you post an emoticon, it makes it seems like it's SO OBVIOUS, what you're showing contempt for, that no one needs to say anything

But really, all it reveals is that you cannot say anything, or what is wrong with my post, or what bothers you

So, Patriel Machado, why

":shock:"

@x-munki said

"I was wondering,

What are the general possibilities of a so-called "black brother", who, due to certain insecurities failed to cross the abyss, lost the solid contact with his HGA and fell off the path into the dead zone?

Can the whole thing be brought back up somehow (to finish the job)? Can the contact be redeemed?

Tnx"

Hey,

Totally new here (so forgive my arrogance), and this is a really old thread, but:

A black brother only knows that he or she is one AFTER the fact, they can never know beforehand or while it is happening, only after one is doomed: then one can know

The genesis of a black brother seems to be an inability to let go of conscious control of a process that does not depend on conscious control, but in fact depends on the surrendering and ripping away of conscious control (vulnerability, surrender), unconsciously

If for some reason (unconsciously, or there is some unexamined and unprepared element that has not been considered), the "fear reflex" emerges, the process is ground to a halt, and the black brother is left in a sort of "orgasm denied" state, which is called the Abyss (think blue balls)

That's basically all it is

The reason why a black brother cannot climb up until a subsequent lifetime is because: the climb is not conscious

It does not depend on personal effort, or any sort of deliberate, planned cultivation

This is particularly why the Abyss is scary because it hits someone unawares, and totally without preparation, and continues until of course, you ask it to stop

I encountered the Abyss early on in my life (when I was 15-16), and it continued until it ground to a halt at 16, since then I've lived in a sort of nightmare, but that's basically how it works

The "leap" itself (hence, letting go of conscious control, but unconsciously), merely happens to a person, and this is why it's scary (hence, a "leap")

If the adept succeeds in somehow slipping back into the groove (unconsciously, again) for several lifetimes, and finds himself unawares climbing the orgasm roller coaster, he or she may succeed again

It really, to me, just seems a lack of preparation, or some unexamined issue that bothers the adept, and prevents him or her from crossing

Notice how orgass (in French) mean "little death", and seem to depend on surrender to possibly being subsumed by your partner, and letting go of the fear of death, or bodily instincts, etc

Cheers!