College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

I agree with your view Alan.

@Alan Willms said

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I don't see Lesser Pentagram as "not elemental", I see it as working entire elemental system at same time. To work with one element in turn, then I would use Greater Ritual."

Thats what I mean.

@Frater Tenc said

"I'll start out by saying I'm "bipolar" or manic-depressive.
I performed the LBRP with four banishing Earth pentagrams and when I finished, suddenly my mood went from a little too high to a little too low.

A few hours later, after being tired of feeling suddenly so down and tired, I performed it again but used the invoking Earth pentagrams instead. Now my energy is back and I feel great! I was wondering if anyone else had this sort of experience with this particular ritual and I'm also wondering one other thing: what sort of mood effects can I expect by invoking or banishing the other elements: Air, Fire, Water, and Spirit (if that counts as one to you)

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"Success in banishing is known by a feeling of cleanliness in the atmosphere; success in invoking by a feeling of holiness. It is unfortunate that these terms are so vague." ~Liber O

The LRP does not use elemental pentagrams but generic all-purpose pentagrams.
I will say it again: the pentagrams in the LRP have nothing to do with the elements, they
do not affect any specific element in any specific way.

That means that the pentagrams in the LBRP are not "earth banishing pentagrams" and the pentagrams in LIRP are not "earth invoking pentagrams".

So what do "lesser banishing..." and "lesser invoking..." refer to?

The LBRP (among other things) banishes all -general- low elemental garbage you might
have in your aura and space.

The LIRP invokes holiness into your aura and space.

Someone could look LBRP as purification and LIRP as cosecration("to associate with the sacred").

Thank you all for your answers

I basically study Thelema along with Kabbalah and Eastern Philosophy.
However the rituals I practice belong mostly to the GD tradition.

It has been very difficult to me to truly understand the logic and effects
of each ritual exactly, because everyone has a different opinion...
I think now I got a better grasp on the RC ritual.

If you want to share more experiences with the RC please feel free to do so!

"But as it is a Solar ritual meant for use of the 5=6, it effects this at an exceedingly high vibrational rate - using the basic golden weft and warp of which the astral is built upon. Thus - most (but not all) astral entities cannot see it because they aren't working with such high vibrational energies and are not aware of the underlying fabric of the astral that the 5=6 is manipulating. For this ritual to work requires alignment and Equilibrium with Tiphareth - otherwise the result with be of a lower vibrational rate or there will be a spill over onto the lower astral levels other than what you should be working with, which will inevitably light you up like a beacon. Thus it is not to be used except by the 5=6.
"

Well I don't belong to any order or esoteric school so...

First of all thank you for your answers...

@Dara Allarah said

"I don't think you've understood the purpose of the ritual. It's not a ritual of invisibility and hiding - it's a ritual of alignment and equilibrium... but I'll let Jim elaborate on that.

...Anyway - protection is not the same as 'hiding'."

From the GD commentaries:

"This ritual does not light up the Astral plane, and thus, does not attract energies to you.It can be used as a form of meditation.
...
It provides mild invisibility because the nature of the ritual itself contains the aura.
...
In highlight, this is a good ritual if you want to go unnoticed. However, it is not pure invisibility in the sense that if a person is searching you out and has you in mind, they will probably find you, but have difficulty in doing so. The Rose Cross Ritual is a very good ritual when you want to be left alone."

hmmm...I dont think it's a ritual of alignment and equilibrium. One could say that the Kabbalistic Cross is a ritual of alignment and equilibrium... However I agree that as a benefit you gain alignment and equilibrium. I think the RC ritual is about creating a "veiled" space around you.

I like to see and understand the "mechanics" in every ritual, the logic onto which it is created. From then I think I can understand what the results and benefits of doing it would be. Thats why I am asking these questions in my first post...

Do you think the Analysis of The Keyword at the end is mandatory in the RC ritual???

Hello, this is my first post!

I would like to discuss the RC ritual...

First of all, about the results the ritual is supposed to have:

It has several positive uses. It encapsulates the aura, providing a protection against outside influences. It acts as a veil. The pentagrams do protect, but they also light up the astral plane and make entities aware of you. So the Rose Cross Ritual is far more effective for containment.When you feel distracted, unfocused, or unbalanced, it is advisable to use the Pentagram Ritual to banish and the Rose Cross Ritual to maintain peace. This ritual does not light up the Astral plane, and thus, does not attract energies to you.It can be used as a form of meditation.

Also, because of its calming effect, it is very helpful in the area of mental disturbances and mental problems.It is a protection against psychic invasion from the thoughts of others. The RoseCross is protection against disturbed psychic conditions such as negative thoughts charged with fear or terrible things that may have happened, such as when somebody has been extremely sick or has died.

It provides mild invisibility because the nature of the ritual itself contains the aura.Some occultists feel that one's aura, or the auric body of a person, actually sees the auric body of another long before the physical eyes do. Be as it may, you can remove the possibility of them seeing you without them at least having the intention of doing so.In highlight, this is a good ritual if you want to go unnoticed. However, it is not pure invisibility in the sense that if a person is searching you out and has you in mind, they will probably find you, but have difficulty in doing so. The Rose Cross Ritual is a very good ritual when you want to be left alone.

www.scribd.com/doc/28230831/GOLD ... oss-Ritual

By studying the ritual I understand that the "general atmosphere" of this ritual should be gentle, low-profile and mild in nature. The movements, the smoke, the vibation of the Names etc all reflect the intention to "hide" astrally,
to become unnoticed, in contrast to the LBRP.

In rituals from other traditions which have the similar purpose of "astral invisibility" I have noticed that dark or earthly colors are used in their visualizations. For example visualizing a dark shield-like egg around you is supposed to have the effect of hidding. On the other hand, bright colors(white, gold, electric blue) are supposed to "light up the astral" and have the opposite effect, that is to catch the attention of astral entities.

My question is: why in the RC ritual which is used for "invisibility" there are also parts which are inconsistent with the general attitude of "trying to hide yourself"???

For example: "Go to the southeast corner of the room. Make a largegold cross and red circle while drawing the red circle, vibrate the word..." ---> bright colors

Also, the main part of the ritual ends with the Analysis of the Keyword which is solar in nature(exactly the opposite of what you re trying to do in the whole ritual up until now) and involves visualizations of bright light.

Some people prefer to do the Kabbalistic Cross before and after the main part of the RC ritual which seems the most illogical of all... First you visualize a large cross of light inside you("here I am!"), then you try to hide by creating a veil
using the incense stick and then again you visualize a large cross of light inside you("ta daaa here I am again!")...gosh

Can someone explain this to me?...