College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

I tried using strong emotion(anger), and it didn't work so well. I'll have to give the emotionless way a try. Thanks.

@Takamba said

"Good question. I can't speak for everyone's systems or every thing that is or is not, should or should not be. I can only ask another question: What's non-Thelemic about EHIH, YHVH ELOHIM, YHVH-va-DAATH, SHADDAI AL CHAI, and ADNI Ha-ARTZ?"

Not necessarily anything non-Thelemic about these. I refer more to those elements(Nuit, Hadit, Babalon, Chaos, etc.) encompassed within the vessel of the Middle Pillar.

@Jim Eshelman said

"Crowley never wrote one, if that's what you mean.

Some people have adopted his opening (more of a Qab Cross adaptation) from Liber Reguli as a kinda sorta MP.

And, of course, as you say, there are things that people have written post-AC."

That was exactly what I was looking for, Jim. Thank you. I found one on this Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn site, and was curious if it was a Crowley era, or post-Crowley creation, as I had never seen it....

93 Care,

I came across a Thelemic Middle Pillar Exercise. Was wondering if there is actually any version found in any the Thelemic documents, or is this just something someone came up with?

93et93,
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@Idiosyncratic said

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@Aegis55 said
"I picture him in the cockpit of a very old time/consciousness machine trying to find the proper bearings to land the big damned old thing in the current Aeon without destroying absolutely everything with it, and thus defeating the point of their role in preservation. "

Do you think it's true what they say about the Vatican holding the largest occult book collection in the world? I suspect that there are very few people in the WMT that would turn down an opportunity to browse the Vatican Library. "

I would personally hand the pope my left nut for unrestricted, lifetime access to the vaults and their resources(translators, etc). Lol

@Jim Eshelman said

"So, like the soror just said... Bend over, grab your ankles, and invite the HGA to get on with it."

Nicely put, Jim. Lol. I couldn't help, but laugh at that.

I've always had this view that those higher elements(Adept, Master, etc) have always existed within you. In a way, we have just forgotten them. The world is not maya, but is just as real as the rest of the scale. The illusion is that the world is all there is to our existence. We just have to rediscover those parts of ourselves with the tools(rules of the game we set ourselves) available to us.

The HGA, as I understand it, is a part of us. It is always with us, and always has been. It is a personal god of sorts, throwing away the gods of old, and being something of yourself and your own "vision." I seem to remember somewhere, in one of Crowley's writings, that the HGA overthrows all the ideas of the old slave gods, removing their fetters.

I recall also, I believe from Peter Carroll's Liber Null, that nothing of worth is gained without adversity and challenge. Suffering and surrender. Perhaps surrender is curiosity. The recognition that there is something there, and the search for it, to understand it or accept it. Suffering I've always seen as the dis-ease in one's universe. Perhaps not walking the "correct" path, being outside of one's True Will. Suffering, though, can lead one to discover the cause, thus curiosity.....

Just a couple thoughts. I'm a little distracted, so bear with me. Lol

93et93

93 Care,

Most of my "visions" have not come from the SR itself, but afterwards, when sitting in the pillars in meditation upon one thing or another. Most often the Eye with the Rays. I got several of the Eye being on top of the great pyramid of Giza, or above me, it's rays shinning through me out into the world, etc. My visions of the Guardians were different, too. Ischuros I did not see in human form, but in the form of a bird tearing the flesh from my body....

Anyhow, interesting vision. Just my two cents: One thing that has been constant in my practice of the Star Ruby is that it makes us a center in the world. We banish certain elements, but so do we call upon certain elements. I've always seen this as we are calling into existence New Aeonic elements, thus making us a light in the world. Projection more than magnetism, though I suppose that could work in the same way....

93et93

"If some sort of definitive evidence emerged to show that Crowley did not produce the Book of the Law when he claimed, would that change the validity of it's message to you?"

Not really. Some Lineages/Traditions say that the Book was written April 1,2, and 3, instead of the the 8, 9, and 10. Don't make a difference to me. It was written, transcribed, whatever. I think what you are asking is if we found out that Liber AL was not transcribed from Aiwass, but a creation of Crowleys. Does genius make it any less of use? If you judge it by anything less, you are already out of what Crowley was teaching anyway. Gotta love the what-if game. If it did turn out to be a fraud, then a good many others are then frauds, and it turns into a conspiracy of a sort. Lol.

Perhaps this is a dumb question:
Have any of the men on her heard the names of female origin on the subject of the HGA; and vice vursa for the women on here? Qadesh is one that came to me. I took it as an influential force, but not, perse, of my HGA. Then, if the HGA is of such an element, I would suppose it surpasses, feminine or masculine in particular....

Ah, ok then. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen the Latin version of it either. Funny.

No, I have not read your book. Unfortunately I cannot afford it at the moment, but eventually I will. I still have the link you gave me to the Liber AL commentary(which I was just reading on this morning), and somewhere still have your Star Ruby commentary. While I differ in some things, you have some good stuff. I look forward to reading the other stuff as I can.

93,

For some reason this makes me think of a part in the Book of Lies:
The Brothers of A.'.A.'. are women, the Aspirants of A.'.A.'. are men.
Something like that anyway. I think it is Cap 3.

939393

93 Care,

Doesn't it go both ways, Jim? I thought the original name was Agentium(Argentinum) Astrum, in Latin. At least that is what I see most common. Astron Argon I hadn't seen, until introduction to the Rovelli Lineage. Just asking, or maybe I read it wrong, and you're just correcting his mismatched usage....

939393

93,

I would like to say yes. I have on one level, and yet on another.... It is something I have to work out on my own. Intellectually I've given myself over. Spiritually, maybe even a little mentally, I still struggle with some of it. Guess that is part of the walk, no?

939393

93,

I am not sure exactly how to put into words what it is on my mind. I've had several "meditative revelations" that sit within my mind. I was just wondering if anyone had put any thought into the place of the Great Pyramid of Giza in Thelema. I came across the idea while meditating on the Eye and Twelve Rays. The missing top section of the Pyramid seems to click right, as far as the All-Seeing Eye goes. I just find the idea interesting, and the building itself magnetic.

939393

I think we've come to twist some the meanings in the words with our individual egos(ergo division), something we are ALL guilty of. You can come to so many conclusions, and next week it could totally flip around. Too, where things might have been meant in a more...abstract(doesn't seem quite the word), we make it concrete. In fact, while our conclusions of the moment might not, perse, be wrong, we cloud it with our ego.

If I might. Some have already said it, but in the early years of the NSDAP(National Workers Party of Germany), to which Hitler belonged, were a mixture of street thuggish violence, and a sort of relief. If you actually go back, and study Germany in the earlier days of the Nazi party coming to power, you'll notice alot. Infantcy death rates were the lowest in the world, as were the populations of the jails and prisons, the homeless populations, children were going to school, people had work(which they didn't have anywhere near enough before), etc. There were alot of good things. It is also thought, at least at first, that Crowley didn't know what was going on behind his back(i.e. Himmler, who betrayed Bohr(?), the former leader of the SS, and who took it a darker route). The initial thing with the Jews was that they had alot of the jobs, and kept it in the Jew bloodline, while Germans starved in the streets. Hitler was taking them captive, and selling them back to their families(do you really think they became rich off Jewish tooth fillings and Jewelry?). The later years grew far darker, Hitler grew more imbalanced(not to mention his doctor was feeding him rat poison, which leads to insanity and death after so long). Hitler was, in the beginning, by many standards a bright light in the dark. Things changed. It might help to actually study the times a little, and maybe cross reference the dates to the historical happenings. Before things grew out of hand, Hitler was doing a good job. He held the potential to do good. As history shows, it didn't go that route. Just some things to think about, and things that any half-serious study of the subject will bring up.

I recall now reading that some time back. Been a while, and I've been off on other things. Thanks. I guess it slipped right past me.

I think it kind of goes with what works for you. Mr. Mason kind of said this, I think. It becomes more a thing of what is best for you, as well as what is best for that moment. I asked my superior about something similar. I am in an area where I can't always shout, chant, hum and haw. I was basically told you do the best you can in the situation you are in. After all, in the end it is you, and you alone, that leads to success in the Work. I thought this lesson kind of carries over into this.

Couldn't it/isn't it possibly as simple as the consistent meditation upon something specific. Like maybe the Eye with the Twelve Rays(that are One)? Or the described pentacle of Nuit in cap. I? It is the basic understanding that I have, anyhow. Of course one can go the route of ritual, but I've never really thought of this as absolutely necessary. Kind of like when I was locked up. In Texas State, you are not allowed to have so many things(although we finally got them to cut us some slack when we formed a couple of organizations and took them to court....), like tools, incense, etc. Alot of the way that I learned to do things was without this stuff. In a way I think this hindered me, in others allowed me to move past certain restraints held by others. So I am coming from experiential opinion, so to say.

Man, too many. Some have already been listed. Celestine Prophecy, loved that one and the follow up. My first book in Thelema, the one that tipped me over the edge, was Equinox III:10, then Liber 333(Book of Lies). Obviously Liber AL. 777. MTP, and Book 4. Practical Magick(?) by William Grey. Psychic Self-Defense by Dion Fortune. Strangely enough, one the big ones was a real simple book by the Ciceros; I think it was called The Tree of Life, or something along the lines. Experienceing the Kabbalah? I forget.
The Magicians Companion, from Whitcomb. The Golden Dawn, by Regardie. Many odds and ends, short Libers by Crowley or To Meta Therion. A Further Guide for the Solitary Practitioner, by Scott Cunningham, one the first I ever picked up. Buckland's big blue book, the Complete Book of Witchcraft)ah, the hours of toil with that book, my teacher, etc).
The Rosicrucian Cosme-Conception, by Max Heindel, founder of the Rosicrucian Fellowship. To Light a Thousand Lamps, by Grace F. Knoche of the Theosophical Society, along with numerous HPB books I studied under them. Interesting stuff.
I have to agree with Avshalom, though without the "shame," I loved DaVinci Code. The movie and book made a strange impact on me in relation to the ideal of sacrifice and surrender, of life, what is considered holy, human blindness, etc. As did Anne Rice' Memnoch the Devil. They put into perspective certain ideas and emotions that I had previously been unaware of.
The Book of Thoth. Gemstones from the Equinox. Nietzsche's works on Zarathustra and the Overman. St. Thomas Aquinas, various papers by him--other philosophers too.
Liber Null, and a couple others on Chaoism. I went on a little tangent after Liber Null. The whole thing was just a tangent, but I did learn a good bit from it. Many things from it stick with me, including the whole C.H.A.O.S.(Confidence, Honor, Attentiveness, Organization, and Sensitivity), gnosis, etc.
I think I'll shut up there before my memory jogs loose any more. Lol.

I can’t say that I would call it a juvenile flight of fancy, but I would call the thoughts behind it base, narrow, and unrefined. I would think that there were several meanings to the text, including the spiritual metaphor. I also believe that there are life lessons involved in it, one of which is the willingness to fight for freedom. In my life experience(and I’ve been through many life and death situations), it comes down to a matter of courage, valor, and ideal. You can be boxed in, and forced to fight, but there is also the willingness to step into the box. Belief in the self is a big deal, whether you win or lose. Most people are not willing to step into the box, preferring the safe comfort zone. I see this alot visiting up here in Canada. There is alot of big talk, but when it comes time to walk there is no one, or few, in sight.

For assumptions, you make many of them. You make the assumption that there is no war going on behind the scenes; maybe not a physical one for the most, but a war nonetheless. You make the assumption that there are few Thelemites willing to fight and die. The majority of the Thelemites I personally know have been through hell and back, in the military and prison. Then, in your case, that most Thelemites are hippies, druggies, and other such degenerates; in my case, we might assume that most Thelemites have and/or are capable of killing, have been trained to do so in one way or another, and really aren’t the kind of folks that you want to be on their A-list. You make the assumption that all Thelemic leadership are fat, out of shape, bad-singing DuQuettes(and for the record, he really cannot sing--I would tell him to keep his day job, but am not much impressed with that either), when that is another stereotype, another assumption. You also make the big assumption that you are the only one to have thought this out, and something like a member of the noble class of the Thelemic movement.

Actually, since you like to follow Crowley’s writings so much, I do believe that diversity is the right of every Thelemite, and in their own right are all right. If you have an issue with that, then maybe you should take that up with Crowley.

Your error in the article in narrow-minded, unrefined thought and assumptions.

One of the things that those “new” to the path often do is to fool themselve into thinking they have actually done something. Your words that you’ve read Liber AL with an open heart and mind(aside from the tine, as if you are the only one) ring so loudly of this. I suppose next you’ll tell us that you are the son of To Meta Therion, or Crowley himself reincarnated, or maybe the next prophet?

Out of curiosity, Tarotica, have you actually spoken to anyone in Islam? Spent any time around everyday Muslims, talked to them, learned anything of them? You ought to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. Might be a good learning experience for you.

I am also curious where you get out of Liber AL anything of child sacrifice? Do share.