College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

This is very interesting....I can't imagine Crowley saying something like that....How could it be possible for some one else to really know the True Will of another since no two points of view can be exacly the same?

@ThatNarrowFellow said

"93,

Can anyone tell me if I am remembering this right? I read a document on a website that I now can't locate that was attributed to Crowley, and that spelled out his vision for an ideal Thelemic society.

In it, he explained his notion of the slave race being a perfectly well-fed and industrious group kept under control by the more enlightened. I believe he used the phrase, "let them have their mutton." Or something to that effect. He further argued that the state should try to determine the true Will of children by a variety of means, including analysis of their birth charts.

I remember the background of the website was black, which irritated me. Anyway, does anyone have any idea what this document was? If it was real, how, if at all, does it relate to astrology and true Will?

love=law

• C"

I am a bit confused about how Crowleys astrology figures into this topic...Jim...perhaps you could explain this for me....

Also I believe our friend IAO is mistaken about the relativity about what Tolles says about the Ego...

I have just finished reading this book and found that although the book seems to focus on a healing...it goes right along with I have read in the reguired reading lists of OTO...A.A...etc...

perhaps **Jim **you would add your thoughts about this...

@Jim Eshelman said

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@Aum418 said
"I meant: Noun = HGA, Verb = Will. Static as in its a name and Will is dynamic in that its an action. Static smacks of stagnation so its a bad word choice."

Got it. I agree (to the extent that words don't lock us into still more problems!).

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"There is at least one place - I spent 10 minutes looking for the quote last night, but couldn't find it (shoulda spent 11!) - where he quite specifically says that you should be able to articulate it in a simple, elegant sentence. "

I seriously doubt he said that. He probably meant a sublime, simple formula like, say, Thelema. (He says 'an expression'... could this not also be a symbol like a Lamen?) I've used 'Growth' in the past as a ruach-reflection of Chiah."

See my "11th minute" follow-up. I'm quite certain he meant something concrete such as his articulation of his own True Will as "To teach the next step." The phrase 'next step' meant something different to him at different times - Initially it meant "To teach the K&C of the HGA," and later, as a Magus, "To promulgate the Law of Thelema." But the core idea behind these specific manifestations remained consistent. (It's also not a bad expression of his Virgo Sun / Aquarius Moon!)

PS - Yes, some people would have other ways of expressing it besides words, though I think Crowley definitely had a concise sentence in mind.

"Right, I agree. But I think I was getting at the sort of Magus Curse where any kind of Word has its corresponding falsity because of the nature of Language."

Yes. But I think you actually mean that variant which is "intellect, which exists as a phenomenon below the Abyss."

I think this is a place where paradox and heroism meet: In bringing any sublime truth down the planes, into manifestation, we're going to degrade it. (That isn't a pejorative, just a description.) So, whether we are trying to enact an Atziluthic impulse in Assiah, or express a sublime and transcendant truth in language, we are going to {shag} it up; but we just have to do it anyway. The only alternative is to not bring it down the planes - which is an avoidance of the Great Work. Though it may rip your heart to shreds to grasp the most intimate and sublime TRUTH of yourself and, despite your highest and best efforts, be able only to cast it into an utter profanation when you articulate it, you just have to deal with the shredded meat in your chest. The spiritual virtue is in having genuinely given it your highest and best effort."

The Tunis I believe a simple warning for those on the path...A warning that we may not like what we see when we look inside.....

Vs. 42 Liber AL “Let it be that state of manyhood bound and loathing. So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will.”The process of self analysis involves certain risks.

Reference Pg. 167 **The Law Is For All ** Sorrow appears as the result of any unsuccessful, ill judged struggle.

The sole test of one’s Lordship is to know what our true will is, and to do it.
Beauty and strength, come from doing one’s will.
This statement I think is a sign post of the direction we would be heading in if indeed we are doing our Will....

Reference Pg.198-215 "The Law Is For All" We must become aware of our true selves.

"The most common cause of failure in life is ignorance of one’s own True Will, or of the means by which to fulfill that Will." (from Magick, Book 4, p. 127)

How can we percieve to know our Will If we don't know ourself?

vs.46LiberAL “Dost thou fail? Art thou sorry? Is fear in thine heart?”

Eckhart Tolle says in his book "A New Earth" The thought processes are conditioned through thousands and thousands of years of conditioning. And there is dysfunction built into the very structure of our thought processes. This is how the ego arises.

Theorem # 4 Magick In Theory And Practice The first requisite for causing any change is thorough qualitative and quantitative understanding of the conditions.

Theorem # 5 Magick In Theory And Practice The second requisite of causing any change is the practical ability to set in right motion the necessary forces.

Theorem #8 5 Magick In Theory And Practice A man whose conscious will is at odds with his True Will is wasting his strength. He cannot hope to influence his environment efficiently.

Tolle:
No matter how good your intentions are, when you're trapped in the ego, it will always take you into conflict eventually.

Theorem #23 Magick In Theory And Practice
Magick is the Science of understanding oneself and one’s conditions. It is the Art of applying that understanding in actions.

Eckhart Tolle...I believe speaks directly to this topic in his book "A New Earth"

He tells us, we all have a voice in our head, (a mental dialog). Some of these dialogs come from centuries of experiences, while others come from our families, culture, and other influences. These experiences come with a full-aray of emotions. When we are not conscious, these diologs along with the emotion attached to them take over while you are on auto pilot.

So, If we are to "Do what thou wilt" we must not be on auto piot. We must be awake! Present in the moment.

Tolle, describes how the attachment to these dialogs, and the emotions connected to them, feed the ego. The attachement of past events and feelings have a need to fill and is never saticfied. Every action or reaction to this kind of dialog is a means to an end....To feed the ego..."Most people are so completely identified with the voice in there head and the emotions that accompany them."

Tolle:
"As long as you are unaware of this, you take the thinker to be who you are. This is the egoic mind" ( not the true you) He also says that ,every thought, memory, interpretation, reaction ,and emotion is part of this egoic mind. And is "unconsciousness" spiritually speaking.

@ThatNarrowFellow said

"93,

I don't want to get too far off topic, but, if Frzzlmom doesn't mind, what were the circumstances of the writing of the Tunis comment?

Love=Law

• C"

No problem..I think you have a valid guestion...since some of the people who repond to this topic seem quite fearful of this line of study..

you said "What signs have you taken to be authentic signals that you are: a) ready join an initiatory order. b) receiving confirmation that your initiation is "working". c) ready to take the next step on your initiatory path?"

my dream started out...on a side walk at night...My husband and I were talking and he cut this big tree down....then directed me to pull out the root...he left and I began pulling...ending up on the other side of the street with the root in hand ..but still not out....as I rested on the side of the street...people passed by...with friendly greetings...and said they would see me soon...seems they were all on there way to a big block party...so I continued to pull at the root...

I take the tree to represent knowllege...I figure that my husband was telling me o.k....now forget what you think you know and get to the root of it.Go deeper...

and so that is just what I am working towards

93
Thank you for your post...

I have only begun this study and I am new to the forum..

So I hope you will indulge me and continue this discussion
93

Well It is my thinking that since Crowley and It seems others puplished these writings over and over and commented on the texts that is it meant for discussion and study.

I am paraphraising but,,,does the Book of the Law also say some thing to the effect that fear is not of us?

93
I love all the great responses to my post!
Thank you..This helps me very much...and I would love to keep this discussion going a bit longer...

I recently read: “The Law Is For All” Written by Aleister Crowley and Edited by Isreal Regardie. most of my notes were taken from this book...I think I missed marking some of the quotes though...sorry

This seemed to me, to be a good place to begin my study; since it seems to be the major tenant of the Thelemic belief system.
I sifted through this work and have taken some notes, and added some of my own thoughts about the topic: True Will.

Reference pg. 97-98 “Do what thou wilt” is not a literal license to do whatever you want..

As in all law, there are limits that we must operate under.
The phrase, “Love is the law, Love under will” set these limits.

Vs. 41 Liber AL “The word of sin is restriction”
Anything that hinders, binds or diverts us from doing our Will, is sin. So also, to interfere with the will of another is “The Great Sin”

I think this statement says that any action we take.. out of malice, to hinder or harm another, not only diverts them from their natural coarse but ultimately diverts us also. And does nothing, but cause pain and sorrow for all concerned.

This law, “Do what thou wilt” simply stated means that we must follow our own coarse, and our own inherent nature.

Reference pg. 102 When our thoughts and actions are in harmony, we are then, “Doing what thou wilt.”

**Vs.43 Liber AL “Do that and no other shall say nay”**The power of our will is so great, that by asserting our rights as free people with purpose, and acting according to our own individual coarse, our own nature, that Will, would not go challenged for long.

I am not sure I agree with the above statement fully. We are all faced with challenge each day, to choose between our own nature and the many diversities of this universe. Hopefully, we learn from these daily challenges and press on despite them.

By asserting our will, our right, we appeal to The Law.
**vs. 44 Liber AL “For pure will unassuaged of purpose delivered from the lust of result is in every way perfect.”**These two verses, define pure will as the true expression of our own nature.

The comment on this word (unassuaged) says something like…not to be dulled or blunted.

I take this to mean.. as I have read elsewhere, That our thoughts and **actions **must be one pointed and with the same purpose.

This is not to say that the journey will always be easy or care free. We are always challenged with diversity and the strong opinions of others. We are all entitled to our own thoughts, and opinions and actions; but ultimately we must decide or discover for our selves what is for the best good; what is our Will; and Act accordingly.

Reference: Sylvia Brown's If You Could See What I See....tenent vii ...Know that each life is a path winding toward perfection. It is the step after step that is hard, not the whole of the journey.

Reference pg. 103 People who are ready to defend their right, to do and be what they Will, are respected and left alone.
While on the contrary, the slave spirit invites oppression.

And oppression comes easy when our thoughts and actions are in conflict.

For instance; when you know good and well what is right, and then do the contrary; you invite conflict.

When our thoughts are divided between duty and our own nature, we have not found balance, and this is the beginning of conflict.

For instance; when you have loved ones who depend on you; You must balance between responsibility to them and the things that separate you from them.

The pure student is not concerned with lust of result. He is concerned with the task at hand; his own journey of self awareness, self expression, and discovering the universe around him. His purpose is one pointed.
Each of us must follow our own coarse.

To seek to swerve our coarse is to interfere with another.

Reference Pg. 167 Sorrow appears as the result of any unsuccessful, ill judged struggle.
(Such as the purposeful interference with another or not being prepared)

Acquiescence in the order of nature is the ultimate wisdom.
We must live according to our own nature or suffer.

Reference Pg.176 The sole test of one’s Lordship is to know what our **True Will **is, and to do it.
Beauty and strength, come from doing one’s Will.

Reference Pg.198-215 We must become aware of our true selves.
If we give up our own authority as absolute individuals, we are liable to submit to the laws of others, and feel ourselves as puppets and suffer the agonies of impotence.
Vs. 42 Liber AL “Let it be that state of manyhood bound and loathing. So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will.”
The process of self analysis involves certain risks.
vs. 46 Liber AL “Dost thou fail? Art thou sorry? Is fear in thine heart?”
Reference pg 214 When you have the right understanding of the universe, and know yourself free, immortal, boundless, infinite force and fire; then may you Will and dare.
For fear, sorrow and failure will be but shadows.
You must chase away the shadows with lightening and fire.
Fire is, “Do what thou wilt!”

To summarize, as I understand it;
The premise of “** Do what thou wilt”** is to do and act. It does not mean to sit still waiting for the universe to come around and be what we think it should be.
If we desire a certain outcome we must act in a way that will produce the outcome we desire.

We all, weather we recognize it or not are connected, and so, our thoughts and actions have an effect on everything, and every one.
We can easily visualize the ripple effect of tossing a pebble into a pool water. The most obvious changes occur near where the pebble made it’s splash down. The ripple effect continues to move outward effecting the movement of the water farther and farther out.
And so it goes in life, that same ripple effect our** actions** have on the people around us and in the universe as a whole, reaching farther and farther outward.
**"So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will.” **
and "For pure will unassuaged of purpose delivered from the lust of result is in every way perfect.”

I take these phrases to mean, that if we are following our Will, we are doing what comes naturally to us. We have passion about the doing and are driven by this passion. We may not ever see the result of our actions in this life time, but we can have a certain confidence that these **passionate efforts **have had a rippling effect that continues to move outward, no matter how small the pebble...

Martin Luther King, for an example, was passionate about what he believed. And although he did not live to see the result of his efforts fully recognized, he has non the less had a profound effect on the world today.

We must act in order of our own nature, for the best good. **“Love under will” **

Vs. 41 Liber AL “The word of sin is restriction”
Anything that hinders, binds or diverts us from doing our will, is sin. So also, to interfere with the will of another is “The Great Sin”

I think this statement says that any action we take.. out of malice, to hinder or harm another, not only diverts them from their natural coarse but ultimately diverts us also. And does nothing, but cause pain and sorrow for all concerned.

So, this being siad, I think that the aperrent will of one can interfear with another.
Or may be this apperent interfearence is something we need to experience in order to grow and learn something vital about who we really are and where our purpose lies.

@Jim Eshelman said

"That's beautiful - and a remarkable expression of (at least some major aspects of) the relationship of the aspirant with the Holy Guardian Angel.

I think it would be misleading to confuse this with knowing and doing your True Will."

93 Thank you for your reply...

I'm glad you liked my poem...I agree it's more an expression of a relationship with HGA...I had several such comunications this particular year...this being the last in the series...

However, when we percieve of doing our Will, where is it that we find the voice of our True Will or Pure Will if not through a relationship of our HGA?
I think it must be based on more than the chatter in our head that says this that or the other thing....how else do we define purpose?

Of course we could listen to the daily chatter in our heads... and decide on something in which to act...a better job or what have you...but is that our Will or our ego?

"The Law Is For All" Reference pg. 97-98 “Do what thou wilt” is not a literal license to do whatever you want..
As in all law, there are limits that we must operate under.
The phrase, “Love is the law, Love under will” set these limits.

If I understand correctly what you said....

This is what comes to my mind...It's something I wrote several years ago..
It is both my mantra and prayer ever since...I try and live by this...I am never alone since all is onected.. Though my understanding has changed some, since I have discovered Thelema.

Crowely says...something like...If you are truley following your True Will...then you have the enersia of the whole universe...that seems to me a reastful thought.

When I wrote it I was trying to be a good christian.

Resting
As I'm resting in your arms, and the shadows fade away
Each dawns a new beginning as I see the light of day.
You are the light of the world,Worthy to be praised,
And the sweet sound of salvation is music to my ears!
As I give my life to you.
Lift me up! Shine through me! Holy spirit carry me;
To the place safe in your arms.
Where I am sheltered from the storm,
Knowing I am not alone,
As I'm resting in your arms.
As I'm resting in your arms And the shadows fade away
Each dawns a new beginning As I see the light of day.
A reflection of your love, I was made for you
And my heart begins to tremble
As I give my life to you.
Lift me up! Shine though me! Holy spirit carry me;
To the place safe in your arms.
Where I am sheltered from the storm,
Knowing I am not alone,
As I'm resting in your arms.

Judy

According to Crowley, the discovery and manifestation of one’s unique True Will is the central task of every Thelemite. True Will is an idea that could be described in its dynamic aspect as the singular path of possible action that encounters no resistance in going because it is supported by the inertia of the whole Universe; theoretically, no two True Wills can contradict each other because each one has its own absolutely unique career in its passage through Infinite Space. Hence, to follow one’s True Will means to respect all True Wills, described as "Love is the law, love under will". The apparent pacifism of this doctrine is complicated, however, by the possibility that the majority of beings do not know their True Will.

Quotations from Aleister Crowley

"The most common cause of failure in life is ignorance of one’s own True Will, or of the means by which to fulfill that Will." (from Magick, Book 4, p. 127)

"A man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him." (from Magick, Book 4, p.128)

"One canot do one’s True Will intelligently unless one knows what it is." (from Magick, Book 4, p.174)

"Know firmly, O my Son, that the True Will connot err; for it is thine appointed Course in Heaven, in whose Order is Perfection." (from Liber Aleph, p. 13)

"True Will should spring, a fountain of Light, from within, and flow unchecked, seething with Love, into the Ocean of Life." (from Little Essays Towards Truth, p.76)

So What is your Will?.....And how do you put it to use in daily life?

I added the link for Oprah...because I thought the topic "A new earth" was pertinant to the current discussion "what does..."Do what thou wilt" mean? and how to assimilate this will into our daily living.

I would have rather just put individual videos on my site but I am so far having a difficult time doing that, so instead I put the link.

It is my intention to show sinkrinisities between the Thelemic belief sysem and some similar others...

I have found that even when the lanuage and basic thoeology may be different there are some things that are very much the same...
truth is truth
sorry if it seemed out of place..I will add somthing to the site to clear it up

93
I am seeking people with serious intent to study with "on-line"..
I live quite out of the way and so going to a class or events is not possible for me at this time..although I look forward to it in the future...

I have coordiated an on line venue to facilitate on-line group study and a web page to post lessons and class transcripts so those who choose to particapate may stay informed about what is happening and how to join if you havnt done so already

I am not affiliated with any organization...but count myself as an aspiring Thelemite
If you would like to view my work in progress....please visit

frzzlmom.googlepages.com