College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

Also there is Bardon, though it is an independant self initiation system, its exercices might help any hermetic practicionner. At the end of the day whatever system you practice, it is quantity and quality of practice wich matters. All truly hermetic systems are very good and you cant go wrong if it is in your path and you practice seriously.

Yes, no, it depends. I think an underlying question is how one feels and assumes the several parts of oneself and of macrocosm during those "whole operation" or "individual sessions" and how they combine in a specific case. Also a matter of intention. So an external practice can be whatever in actuality. If you banish from the point of vue of Nuit, who banishes who? The more one advances, the more the meaning of any practice can be very different in many ways. Of course it doesnt change the basic purpose of something(for example, a LBRP is still an LBRP)but there are other layers whose combination can make its use and experience different.

And yes it depends on HGA a lot for the core part but dont underestimate also the role of Nuit(an element of it being the current aeon and respective karma/incarnations, particularities of now)and of magickal personna(or true will, and its current potential of manifestation). The balance of these make an individual answer.

Also, at good level one may be able to activate or desactivate at will any part of the whole of a technique or ritual or combination, at least to the extent such thing might be useful for the purpose mentioned here. So such questions may be not significant. The intellect may not need to engage in such thing except for the sake of teaching to less advanced practicionner. Personnal answer comes on automatic level in form of direct vision. To help the increase of those one may practice the tarot and the kabalah and also magick and meditation so the combination of elements from different perspectives is more and more in the sphere of sensation and then in any one of those, one can adjust their combination in terms of manifestation.

And no, if i had to answer a short"yes or no", of course LBRP can only do good and certainly not "banish hga". As a general rule for all basic practices, the more the better. From there precise but the basics tend to be always good to keep as a regular routine. Unless you are sure it is not so in your case. But if in doubt, stick to what most masters say and at least you may not go too wrong.

Where you are most mistaken Gerry is you forget the quantitative and focus only on qualitative wich itself becomes false because of such separation.

"HGA communication" as such is not what corresponds to it from assiah, but the actual thing at the vibratory level where it happens. At such level the nature of reality is different than what you seem to describe. Therefore i'd suggest you to work on Nuit and your lower self until you have good results in both. Demonstrate both in both quality and quantity and then HGA communication will surely happen progressively.

The emanation of HGA is always there, though to consciously communicate with it requires precision and quantity of power. It is why there are hermetic systems and no less answer would be enough. How you describe the communication will always depend on individual and current step, among other things.

In asana and pranayama, you already demonstrate dharana. Though, dharana as such is of a higher level and nature. The results should be judged in terms of how they relate to your whole path and step.

@Gnosomai Emauton said

"Actually, I just meant that cigarettes are probably the most dangerous commonly consumed substance for the heart and that claiming them as a personal vice while extolling the over-hyped dangers of MDMA in the same post is... questionable at best."

Most people getting problems from cigs have many other factors going on, and they smoke a lot. Many old chinese qi gong masters do smoke a lot too and have no problems at all.

Mdma does seem to me a different story. Though everything can go fine too if most other factors are ok.

And we're on a magick and mysticism forum here, not the place for typical unbalanced man. Rather that for the balanced one who seeks further precision of it. If any possibly dangerous endeavour is to be taken from such a perspective it may go fine. At the end of the day it is a matter of balance of forces.

@gerry456 said

" one has to get aroused by someone that one finds attractive"

One has to get aroused by what is most useful to the great work.

As far as i know(far from all )one estabilshes the yin and the yang in all things until everything except HGA(in that regard) becomes a mistake. Then can happen KCHGA. How could it happen if you have not tried every other possibility before? There would be a doubt persisting. Though all mistakes must happen before, one can limit the negative effects by being firstly as focused and sincere intention wise, then find ways to gain time, and to avoid actual manifestations of mistakes when possible. Balance these and advance with care, like a hermit who carries a lamp in the night. At the same time seek speed of advancement, and in the most safe way possible.

And use the mistakes as catalyst for will. If you feel sometimes desperate and lonely, well it is true. Until you achieve KCHGA it is true. No woman, or money, or even magickal powers will satisfy you in that regard. There is no other possible way to happiness. Not even Nuit as a part of Nuit herself wants you to get this job done before further knowledge of Nuit.

Then when united, the awareness of the union must increase and manifest more and more. It is not the end of all problems Ordeals are adjusted to the level of the practicioner. Big level=big ordeals . Though once KCHGA is achieved one is at least "in peace" in that specific regard.

If you precise a little bit nature and awareness of HGA it can help in that regard. It is never too early. At least if you do so it will help a lot on the deepest level, you will never fall back "too down". You will remember "hey, i know where i'm going". And ask for help in prayer when in desperation. Like the ancient jews, when in trouble they prayed, and forgot to pray when everything was fine. Well it is way better to do so than to not pray at all.

Also desperation and feeling forsaken "hits" the lower body even "lower" than sexuality, it is survival kind of urge. Thus very good for "coaching the devil". Then progressively the devil will dance in harmony will all other animals in the arch.

I agree with all the above.

Yes definitely 30 is big for a complete beginner... One can start as you say, and also 10 mintues morning and evening for instance. Very good precisions.

Also a practice wich relates with both Bardon's teachings and external applications is to drill the speed of "peaking" . What i mean by that is at the end of the day one wants to learn two main things from this kind of thing: the ability to manifest, and the ability to meditate. Magick and yoga. So, the goal of magick is not to perform long rituals for the sake of performing them, but rather induce fast, powerful, changes.

Thats why Bardon recommends to drill (some forms of)magick in short sets, for instance like in external sports, or like in bodybuilding or weightlifting. In bodybuilding and weightlifting, one focuses on maximum power and maximum anabolism(respectively) by practicing only short sets, from 1 to 10 repetitions. This works in magick and here for our practice. One can drill the ability of reaching maximum sensations in less than 10 seconds, then in less than 5, then in less than 3, then instantly. You can do a session of 1 hour consisting of say 150 very short sets.

Each type of practice is optimal for its specific results. Also for health a big factor is balance. One too "yin" will benefit from "yang" stuff, and vice versa. For external and especially martial application one must apply the above to actual combat, weightlifting, full speed and full power, against a resisting partner. One should get the performance to a similar level of professional athletes if done well. Also ground work is very good to enhance mastery, first hatha yoga like(static), then moving, like in brazilian jiu jitsu(fighting on the ground). Dynamic work on the ground againts resistance with all the above in mind will skyrocket dantien awareness and power of manifestation.

Weapons are very helpful too ! A flexible chinese sword(jian) is very good as it combines the yin and the yang in an easy percievable way. The tip of it moves and is very sharp, tiny, always be aware of it. At the same time the handle is big and rigid. It is like two weapons in one, and the to extremes move at the same time. Be aware of the weapon from top to bottom and just like the physical body, in 6 directions, with a center of gravity, two extremes and the yin and the yang working always. The weapon can be drilled too in several ways. Then see how magick rituals are enhanced after such practice.

A very good thing with weapons(especially sword) is rythm. In martial application (free fencing) it is awesome to feel the different rythms always there in potential, and several manifesting at the same time. It becomes a mind game, very close to magick. Then translate this to meditation(rising on the planes, tarot reading, whatever...) and empty hand martial work(very good for precision and timing).

Establish 6 directions in whole body from hair to toes. When force go up, it goes down too. When left, right too. When front, back too. Feel whole body always moving in 6 directions at the same time. Everything should move exactly the same from all smallest parts to the holistic force. This establish in standing meditation firstly.

Stay 30 minutes to 3 hours without moving at all externally, though inside(and aura wise)the body always moves in the 6 directions. This vibration becomes more and more subtle and strogly felt at the same time. It is the perpetual change in stillness achieved on physical body.

Feel the yin and the yang. To manifest external force, combine all wavelenghts like they push on each other, all multiplying force of one another; Thus 1 unit of internal power may produce 1000 unit of external power. It is a great accomplishement. Even 1% mastery is very good.

Thanks for your contribution Brotherjj, very interesting.

@gerry456 said

"As far as I know McKenna's entire mushroom-philosophy hinges upon scant evidence. It's complete speculation that mushrooms were abundant in the "Isisian age" of 'shrooom-orgies under the New Moon where the nuclear family was not yet manifest on Earth: (Q. whose your daddy? A. {****} knows, I belong to the tribe anyway and who cares.?) Is there any evidence or this just a fairy tale?

How do we know that mushrooms were the central aspect of any old society? We don't. The tenet is based upon the fact that the mushrooms are not so abundant now so therefore they must've been abundant then. McKenna was a brilliant mind, for sure but was he truly rigorous?

I like McKenna but was he just a pothead, 'shroom head, full of confirmation bias?"

If we accept that everything is true, it doesnt matter much. From some perspective it can only be true. Everything that exists interacts with every other thing. Doesnt even need to take mushrooms to be under their influence. One just has to attune to their vibration and i find this very probable it happened back then.

You'll see some profane people taking a strong dose of shrooms or lsd and feel nothing at all. Why? I let you guess...

Also back then, the earth had a way stronger electromagnetic field than now wich would facilitate hugely such attunement, and also discovery of qi gong etc. Even in Crowley's time, just a hundred years ago, earth emanations were probably 25% stronger than now. It is a big difference. Thats why also in old grimoires you see beginners have strong results with evocations, though now one must have better skill to get similar result.

@Takamba said

""i have ingested so much hallucinogenics that i'm hallucinating that i'm not hallucinating any more. yep. scientific fact.""

"i have breathed so much from my penis that seeing through its eye seems like seeing through the third eye. Black tantra fact"

@ThelemicMage said

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PS - Promoting the use of MDMA, a known amphetamine which mows down tendrils in the brain, all the while advising against trusting what the mother mushroom has to teach, is the most damnable thing I've read all week.

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Yes i agree...

Also mdma is probably the most unpredictable and dangerous substance for the heart. We dont even count how many people died from a single dose... and for what? The effect is not even that special. Just mix some clean amphetamines and lsd and you'll have a similar thing but much safer and predictable. Also it lasts longer so you can enjoy better. That "rush"thing of mdma reminds me of poppers. Dangerous poppers, that is. To me it is a very bad idea.

Anything else than cannabis, alcohol, mushrooms and (good) coca i wouldnt advise personaly. Another issue is it can be hard to tell what is really inside synthetic stuff. Even "lsd" now is often not actual lsd. Even herb is "sprayed" sometimes. Coca is a real issue if not good. Anything can be inside. Be careful on quality. Only best quality one should take and always with healthy and fit body. The shamans and hunters that use substances tend to be very fit. Like elite athletes in our society. This is good to know the body and also to bear "pressure".

To me substances should be a part of a balanced lifestyle, with regular sports, rest, and spiritual practice. I see substances on subtle level as elemental, sephirothic, or even IHVH emanations. They can really help, as long as they are balanced. But a goal also to remind is one should "invoke" their power so one need less and less. Now i just smoke a joint or have a beer from time to time and i find it satisfying. Though it wouldnt be the case if i had not taken enough stuff before that. I would be lacking something. Maybe in the future i will take more again. I dont know. Actually i hope so because it rocks. I just listen to the voice... One should purify the prejudices so one can benefit of what is really needed without unbalance in a way or another.

In everyday life i do only coffee and cigarettes now, and it is satisfying. Also a good test of control as they are actually very addictive, so if one can smoke reasonably cigarettes and enjoy them it is a good sign.

@Frater INRI said

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@Hermes said
"When one stays on mental force, the lower adjustement is instant. But if one falls, one falls back to the corresponding laws. There are different laws on different planes, though they are one too. The yin and the yang oscilation is maintained.

The more subtle mecanism, the more it applies on higher plane because all laws converge to The Law.

When it is clear, no time is wasted. Even past is transformed."

I agree.
Well said.

And embracing the whole of Tantra (not only sex rituals), one might advance really rapidly, going really high...
...and if one screwes up the Tantric ritual(s), the fall is also very rapid and deep.

Dangerous path Tantra is or can be."

It reminds me the mecanism of speech and secrecy. Breaking the rules if done right is actually very good. It can make one "jump" straight to the next thing. But it can also be a mistake whose effects take much time to correct ! The more powerful the technique the more good or harm will happen.

When one stays on mental force, the lower adjustement is instant. But if one falls, one falls back to the corresponding laws. There are different laws on different planes, though they are one too. The yin and the yang oscilation is maintained.

The more subtle mecanism, the more it applies on higher plane because all laws converge to The Law.

When it is clear, no time is wasted. Even past is transformed.

I think a way masturbation can be useful is to gain time.

While masturbating one can focus 100% on specific things and adjust what actually arouses, until the desire is purified. Also you can multiply very fast various experiences that would take very long otherwise. You can have 100 parners in 30 minutes in your mind. It is like fast forward. Activate etheric and astral body at the same time to help this. And focus on purification of desire. Keep always the goal in mind. The intent is to gain time and consecrate as fast as possible sexuality to HGA. If so it is good practice. Then, no desire will come unwillingly. Desire will attune to HGA. And if you are aroused again you will know it is of holy nature. That it is directly related to HGA. So you wont have any partner finding problem anymore as it will be God directly wich chooses for you when what and with who to do. The progress should be fast and empowering. if it is not so it is probably not the time for such a practice.

A further way of describing what i mean by "God" is concentration, meditation and extasis. The three gods(Nuit, Hadit, RHK) correspond to those three practices, wich correspond to actual forces(yin, yang, tao)that even manifest physicaly(electromagnetic force).

Now more and more i rise up the standard of that wich makes me think"that's God"(though all is god too...). There is the perception, then the intensity of it, then its alignement within the universe, then its actual direct effects upon the universe. If, to some significant extent(that varies, thats the idea of progress lol) all this are balanced, then i can say, whatever the God among the three basic ones(and a few others) is concerned, that the experience is genuine.

It is a fascinating path, the gradual unveiling. I think when at the same time knowledge increases, humility increases, and one is fine with whatever happens as far as one practices as willed by the great all, then it is a good sign. The great danger in the path towards God is the adversary, the black powers.

The black powers can be tempting except if one stabilises the image of HGA and practices seriously equilibration with that in mind(maintaining image, always remembering),These two, if were always remembered would avoid many mistakes and "unnecessary" wanderings in black magick and suffering. Though even such mistake is perfect ! How could it be more perfect than what actually IS...?!

There is also a possibility of falling/failing, and it would be not perfect if this was not so.

As a general answer i'd say work on the kabbala of your training. By that i mean when you have many questions like this, assign them layers and hierarchy. Connect them to your whole path always. By itself it is a very important part of the great work for all things. The all is one. Though to make it possible that all things are continuous and harmonuous, the Law adjusted them all from top to bottom, all in relationship to every other.

Everything is true, but not everything is useful. How to apply this here? From the highest meditative state you can achieve, go down, while maintenaning the consciousness of the observed thing. When continuity is broken, go back and try again, until it gets continuous.

It is a way, or a part of it, among many others. Everything is true also means everything is optimal for its own purpose and nature. Therefore, exactly ALL WAYS of practice will produce specific OPTIMAL results. So the question is what is optimal for you now. To this assign layers. Then apply again solve and coagula.

Establishing the all in all things, everything is always there. It is a matter of proportion and rythms. This you can start with yin and yang, 3, and 4.

Classify different types of rituals according to different perspectives. Or to schools, or worlds, or whatever you might find useful for your own current actual practice.

A basic way to apply yin and yang here can be for instance to practice a physical version and an astral one. Then work on astral manifestation from physical perspective and vice versa. Focus on the different worlds at play and the respective body layers. Thus you will answer a tremendous amount of this. Questions are infinite. To answer practice. To practice good make it simple. Combine complex and simple. Practice separetely(with emphasis on specific part) then expand. Or balance. All are good.What is sure is if you keep on practicing a couple of rituals seriously you will have good results.

When confused dont mix up things. Just practice a couple of rituals as you choose to follow, and nothing will be wasted, whatever your later preferences might become. The guys are all right, and so are their rituals. Their is no such thing as "right" or "wrong". A ritual is exactly as it is, what could be said more? Is greek more right than hebrew? Just practice as they are and you'll get each layer of answer at each optimal time for you.

As for "metal" i see it as a very holy thing. It is the most classic material for building the cup and the sword, and the ring, and the spear, all great symbols. It can be seen as corresponding to ether, and the great work completed. The philosophers stone. It is also good for talisman. Very powerful. Of course it could be programmed as a black talisman, charged with evil forces.

As most people are of very low level in magick and dont master the projection of their forces, they charge things all the time with evil forces. By repetition, even if it is of low power, it can increase, and thus you can get "evil" objects. Then the object itself may attract independently all sorts of evil beings and so on.

An approach towards a form of its understanding can involve you meditating upon yourself as the worshiper. See the thing as such, and also as your personal version of it. The personal version is your magickal persona. It is from there you worship Nuit best. The two united make RHK wich is HGA. Though, in the manifested world, it is you who are the RHK. You see, roles change according to perspective. Hadit says "i am the empress and the hierophant", though RHK is the Hierophant too. When Hadit is the Hierophant, RHK is the worshiper. Neither would exist without the other. This is just some personal gnosis. Meditate on this if you will, and apply.

And yes physicaly on the scale of human body, Hadit can be seen as the point in the Dantien. An exercise can be to concentrate it more and more. Condense power into it, making it smaller and smaller. Compress. When fully achieved, next cycle begins.It continues ! It is never ending. Change perspective and scale each time. See how everything change from this.

Thanks Jim, very helpful. Could you recommend some reading concerning the subject(the "path" on the scale of incarnations, reincarnation etc)? And it would be very cool if you wrote a book on this !

Thanks Patriel for your interesting questions.

@Jim Eshelman said

"incarnations specifically meant for gaining particular experiences from operating at a level far less than one did previously"

You mean operating at lower level for an unusualy long time, or like for a whole incarnation?!

Also how could it be useful for instance to get a not "long living" body, like Bardon for instance, who died rather young, preventing him from writing further books. As he was a master in energy work and healing, he could probably have maintained himself in life using magick, though he chose to do not so, and it seemed "written" from the start that he was meant this time to take this particular body wich included such fate.

Though "every possibility has to be fullfilled" and "it is a matter of scale and cycles", could you share some ideas, hypothesis, some food for thought regarding this or the above(operating at lower level)?

I dont seem to understand how if one has high level, it could be be useful to go through physical ordeals, like ilnesses, short life, war, and so on. And also that "operating at lower level" thing. I mean, if one has high level, isnt one supposed to have mastered such(and related) things a long time before already? Maybe its a never ending refinement of all things in all directions(including the most "gross") and it is rather normal actually?!

To use myself as an illustration, i think i have been operating at a lower level all my life, and it was very difficult until now. Now, i'm still way lower than i used to be, but at least i progress with satisfying speed and thus feel relief. I am almost sure i will come back to my real level within 10 or 20 years maybe, and then even progress. I see the past struggle as an attunement to the New Aeon. That's why i got involved in martial arts from a young age for instance, though it is not something i did before. I have always been a magician, a mystic and a philosopher, though not a fighter. This seems new and strange to me. I suffered many physical ordeals also. Life has been hard overall and only now at 30 years old i'm beginning to live in harmony, comfort and peace. Now i must marry this new attunement with my previous skills that i'm slowly awakening again.

Though, i still dont see why i had to go through such ordeals, why not just practicing martial arts(it is already a great ordeal lol) within a comfortable life, i would have gotten back all my magickal skills already if i hadnt been thrown left and right into "normal people's struggles". I got into hermetics 5 years ago, at 25 ! It feels like a huge waste of time until i "remember" and learn all lessons this is meant to teach. I look forward to understand better.