College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

I agree with all the above.

Yes definitely 30 is big for a complete beginner... One can start as you say, and also 10 mintues morning and evening for instance. Very good precisions.

Also a practice wich relates with both Bardon's teachings and external applications is to drill the speed of "peaking" . What i mean by that is at the end of the day one wants to learn two main things from this kind of thing: the ability to manifest, and the ability to meditate. Magick and yoga. So, the goal of magick is not to perform long rituals for the sake of performing them, but rather induce fast, powerful, changes.

Thats why Bardon recommends to drill (some forms of)magick in short sets, for instance like in external sports, or like in bodybuilding or weightlifting. In bodybuilding and weightlifting, one focuses on maximum power and maximum anabolism(respectively) by practicing only short sets, from 1 to 10 repetitions. This works in magick and here for our practice. One can drill the ability of reaching maximum sensations in less than 10 seconds, then in less than 5, then in less than 3, then instantly. You can do a session of 1 hour consisting of say 150 very short sets.

Each type of practice is optimal for its specific results. Also for health a big factor is balance. One too "yin" will benefit from "yang" stuff, and vice versa. For external and especially martial application one must apply the above to actual combat, weightlifting, full speed and full power, against a resisting partner. One should get the performance to a similar level of professional athletes if done well. Also ground work is very good to enhance mastery, first hatha yoga like(static), then moving, like in brazilian jiu jitsu(fighting on the ground). Dynamic work on the ground againts resistance with all the above in mind will skyrocket dantien awareness and power of manifestation.

Weapons are very helpful too ! A flexible chinese sword(jian) is very good as it combines the yin and the yang in an easy percievable way. The tip of it moves and is very sharp, tiny, always be aware of it. At the same time the handle is big and rigid. It is like two weapons in one, and the to extremes move at the same time. Be aware of the weapon from top to bottom and just like the physical body, in 6 directions, with a center of gravity, two extremes and the yin and the yang working always. The weapon can be drilled too in several ways. Then see how magick rituals are enhanced after such practice.

A very good thing with weapons(especially sword) is rythm. In martial application (free fencing) it is awesome to feel the different rythms always there in potential, and several manifesting at the same time. It becomes a mind game, very close to magick. Then translate this to meditation(rising on the planes, tarot reading, whatever...) and empty hand martial work(very good for precision and timing).

@Jim Eshelman said

"Do you mean undulate?"

Yes... i had confused the spelling.
Corrected.

Thanks.

Yes thats what i meant. Indeed i see they are opposite.

@Gnosomai Emauton said

"The way you describe it reminds me of the method of Leary et. al.'s The Psychedelic Experience. In that framework, the user interfaces with the substance in order to break down all current personality structures as he enters the psychedelic space. In that space, discoveries are made and guidance is given. Then, on the return journey, all of the broken down pieces are reformed into a new structure in line with the user's new desired personality.

gross -> subtle
purification and rearrangement
subtle -> gross"

Just a reiteration of the goal/formula used back in Ancient Egypt and passed down. IAO.

@Hermes said

""Maat may have influenced Themis, but only if you take late-period Maat post-Alexander, and thereby ignore entirely that Maat is the mate and complement of Thoth." Jim Eshelman (quoted from a non related topic)

Could you please Jim expand/precise this?"

I'm not sure what you want explained further. The main point two points are (1) the Egyptian gods' nature changed, sometimes widely, across a few thousand years, and (2) the only Maat that could affect a Greek deity would be the version that was en vogue during the Greek intersection with Egypt.

Weirdest part is i find all this totally normal.

Things just happen as they do and nothing happens too

I just notice a small garden in front of the ogdoadic chamber outside...

I loled at your comments

thelemic real estate we could do 😄

and hotels for true philosophers

Oh, you labeler, you 😆

St. John's two DNs are (in the A.'.A.'. framework) the Path of Tav and the Veil of Paroketh.

I'd say (depending on which day you ask me): Yeah, the Abyss is a third DN; or, Don't worry about the Abyss until whatever incarnation you get anywhere near it; or, Labels aren't exactly the most important thing when you stand before that particular gulf.

So: Yeah, sure, sounds fine, not sure why it matters 😄

I go around telling people how I really feel, what I truely think. I am also upfront that tbis is merely my perspective and a difference between mine and yours does not mean we can not be friends.

Yes, I have been yelled at as a result. Missunderstood and even hated. I have hurt people and been hurt.

Yet, over time there have come to be those who accept me and the ideosyncrices that make me an individual being. I might even be so bold as to say there are those whom love me.

I may be wrong, but something that I feel is true in my heart is that if I remain silent and do not express my self people will never have the chance. My self included.

Thanks Avshalom.

@Jim Eshelman said

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@Vadox said
"I would advice to do liber resh to get the feeling of the tasks of each grade."

How so? Explain your point of view, please."

I'd like to hear that too !

Intuitively i'd rather say Liber Legis currently.

Nuit Hadit RHK
3.Nuit Hadit
DL.RHK
A.within. Nuit Hadit RHK
...

Like each grade can correspond with the natural following of chapters, and each round they get "upgraded"in different ways

Sometimes i ask myself "if i had to chose only one book for the rest of my life, what would it be?".

So far i got 5 answers:

4years ago: the kybalion
3years ago: Cicero's "self initiation..."
2years ago: Eshelman's "The mystical..."
1year ago: Crowley's tarot deck
Currently: Liber Legis 👹

And if i had to chose only one chapter of Liber Legis i'd chose the first one !

Curious what U noticed.

I can relate to your experience, Frater Horus.

However I must elaborate on something that struck my mind when you mentioned a previous time when you experienced what you interpreted as "being on LSD" 24/24. I suppose some of your avenues folded back properly so you could sleep right and everything again.

Then, I assume you continued astral work in the form of Thelemic study and practice, which lead to you discovering how to open energy pathways through symbol and consecration.

Years ago, I went through maybe a hundred hits in two weeks, of Lysergic acid diethylamide. This went on for months and months, and I only ate paper twice a week, both weekend nights, doubling the dose on the second night. This gave me a full week to lose tolerance, so I didn't make this horrible mistake of "psychedelic diddling", where one eats one hit one day and one or two the next and whatnot. Then they register in their minds "wow, I ate like a thousand hits this summer", when their actual psychic weight tells otherwise. Serotogenic psychedelics other than dmt have instant tolerance, so you can only trip "successfully" maybe two nights a week.

So, I guess eating ten hits without tolerance, repetedly, (500-1000ug), might sustain one with what a human being might call "tripping 24/7". The Psychedelic Experience recommends dosing 250ug, then another 250 when one is a little used to the higher energy an hour or so later, for one's first time.

Quality of LSD is another huge contribution to experience and evolution of a being/race. One should, ideally, be able to learn to sleep much better after having an intense experience, rather than complain of sleeplessness and stress. Though this could be caused by lack of one's "letting go", during an experience, which can "knot up" chi through nadis and chakras. For instance, if one has a huge dose of L their first time, in a stressful situation around people, ending up hunched over in a corner with their muscles all tense in weird ways, one might have to re-dose later, to get back what one calls their normalcy.

In contrast, one can have many positive high-dose LSD or Psilocybin experiences, and end up having one that knots them up. Then they swear off psychedelics thinking it was the drug's fault, keeping their knots unknowingly inside that could easily be de-knotted with a moderate to high dose with proper set and setting.

In the 1950s and early 60's, many schizophrenics, including those so strickened that they could not care for themselves or get out of bed, were cured by starting with low doses of Lysergide, waiting sufficient time, then dosing higher each time, until all the knots were unknotted enough and all the caves were clear of wreckage. "Who is to roll away the stone?"

Anyway, I am what one Frater Horus might term as "tripping 24/7", however I still partake of psychedelics on a regular basis, but I do not need the higher doses I needed years ago to reach the same depths and heights.

He was cast forth to Chased. There's indirect reference in The Vision & the Voice and elicit reference in One Star n Sight (in the section discussing 8=3).

Thanks. I'm getting more and more sure there is no point in comparing methods seriously without being an adept of each one separately. I see you're always very careful and rigorous Jim, even when we are speaking of straight well known western systems, and more so when they are less known. I get this at least. 🆒

I apologize if i asked redundant style of questions.

Of the holy books that is.

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The 5 levels on the tree of life:

1.malkuth
2.yesod
3.netzach
4.tiphareth
5.kchga and more

I think this answers a lot: hermetic.com/egc/index.html

I dont know how i didnt find it before 😊

This is totally out of left field, and doesn't represent the work of any existing order or anything like that, but I've put up a log of some visionary/astral workings I've done with the 15 Behenian stars here (Blogspot sorts descending, so the first entry is at the bottom):
bookofsapphire.blogspot.com/search/label/behenian%20star

The workings referred to above definitely took place on the Yetziratic level. The "voices" of the stars are compiled from the results of several astral workings over a number of years. I post these simply as an example of some of the results of one person's work with a particular set of fixed stars.

@Frater Horus said

"Could you tell some kind of thelemic check list, like "5/3 points to check in a system/individual/religion/group/whatever to tell if it is congruent with Thelema".

For instance:
That it:

Does what it wilt Does not gets in the way of anyones will Has a "loving motion"(evolutive-positive-towards Nuit)

😄"

93,

I think it is a mistake to think about things being congruent with 'Thelema' as some standalone entity and it is better, rather, to think if a particular organization/group is in line with one's individual True Will. Then it comes down to: 1. Is this in line with my Will/does this help me accomplish my Will? Yes? Good. No? Bad.

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