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I am never going to get to cleaning my room. XD.
Oh, well. There's always tomorrow.
Any way-
"I understand the benefit of being able to stop any given thought from entering the mind, or any certain action from being performed, but so far it seems like no one has obtained permanent results (from this particular practice). If we found that some alternative method could produce better results, more of the time (and thats what we cared about), wouldn't you want to go with the alternative method?"
Sure. Find me one, and I'll try it, unless I've tried it before already. I think the issue is that not all things work for other people, based on what has led to their present state. I guarantee that positive reinforcement doesn't work for me, as it's just not something that appeals to me- this is the same in any are I've tried it in- education, exercise, and even eating [That is, I tend to not be as obsessed with foods that are sweet, or rewarding. My issue is, is that I don't stop] Though, it should be noted that I never once said "This is the only way for you all."
"Why avoid doing something so perfectly regular for a period of time? It's absurd. If you were to pick something so obviously hard right off the bat, you might die from blood loss... since you will probably think about sex, more often than you won't."
Er, in my first post I made it clear what I used. Frankly, if I managed to incur blood loss on that scale with a sewing needle set, I deserve what I get ;p. Even I think the razor blade method is ridiculous. Based on comments I've seen even Crowley regarded the marks made as a record- why make your record something that can kill you, or paralyze you?
The reason? Because it is hard. The instructions say "Commonly occurring." I examined what is commonly occurring, and chose. I've made the mention that sex was a bad choice anyway, but it was not empty.
"Seems to me like a better alternative is to just not think about sex at an inappropriate time... same goes for anything. Drugs, gambling, compulsive buying, or just interrupting meditation to go swat at some fly . I don't care to elaborate more on this, just making a point. You could find a million ways to do this that don't flatter your ego, or give you an excuse to indulge in masochistic abuses, or negative repressions."
Yes. I could do that. In fact, that's what stopped a lot of the motions and words. I fail to see how adding a "If you mess up there is a repercussion," makes it in someway bad- that is how it works anytime I decide to not pay attention driving. Er, "Indulging in masochistic abuses?" XD. Er, I think it was someone else who thought I was saying that, but no. XD. Admittedly, I've taken a LOT of hits in my life, but I wouldn't say I seek to do it, rather it is a method, like any other thing.
"I don't understand what not crossing your arms has to do with spiritual enlightenment, I'm sorry. Next time you may try yawning, or sneezing, or blinking. These things will occur. This failure, success thing is so trivial on this level. Sorry, but that's my opinion."
Have you ever read the first part of Liber Null? MMM I beleive. It clearly states why it recommends choosing actions for such practices based on a lack of caring or seeking advancement. I figured that would be obvious. Though, along these lines this could be asked about anything. While I respect your opinion, it is wrong, even from the perspective of normal, non-spiritually related things- breathing, walking in a set time, making the bed in the morning- how does making your environment what you tell it to be add any value to spirituality, again? To many it seems like a fairly substantive portion 
"Give me a break here, man. You can't get over a daily habituation, and your going to start a practice like this by trying not to cross your arms? You don't see this habbituation thing as a bigger disrupter to your spiritual advance than say, doing or thinking about something completely normal and healthy?"
Uh, no. XD. I should have re-phrased that. I'm doing an experiment that I feel trumps this, but could either help, or hurt the result. Well, experiment is the wrong word. Extended self-education.
"What are we talking about here? Booze? Pot? H? Whatever it is, you shouldn't be ashamed to mention it here. I don't mean to judge, but you shouldn't make assumptions about people here. From the look of it, I bet we are in the same age range. Robert and Alrah deserve respect from pips like us.
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It's not that I'm ashamed, rather I don't feel the need to advertise. It was relevant to mention it, as it could be a reason why anything felt the way it did. To make it clear, it's just marijuana.
Though, I disagree with the people deserving respect from pips, it's not really due to malice. Respect is earned, and simply achieving a high score is not synonymous. I respect Alrah in the sense that she has not given up, tenacity is always welcome. However, I do not respect the complete eschewing of such practices so offhandedly. if she were to simply state she had tried it and her mileage was not equivalent, then I'd understand- but before that it's like watching someone denounce sex because it's icky.
"Personally, I have been through the addiction thing. I beat it without the use of a barbaric practice like this. To do that I needed to realize that Love was required... I had already been dishing myself out enough negativity and punishment."
Grats. Only substance I seem to have any addictive traits in regards to would be caffeine. I've always done possibly addictive things on a time table [I wonder if I still own those], and in specific amounts. My experiment is now simply seeing what happens when I let that restraint I've used snap [Think of it as facing a phobia, based on family history and legend ;p]. Was Jvgorvm a good idea while doing this? I think so. I had to be more aware of those weeks than I normally would.
"Even if we had a study that showed that 75% of the people practicing it experience some impressive result doesn't mean that you should also do it. You might be one of the 25%, or have some other reason you would decide against it."
That's part of what I am trying to say [Though, I would reverse the numbers in reality ;p]. Rather, I would just prefer not knocking on people for doing that by comparing them to a cat that has brain activity dulling levels of boredom without having experienced that from the practice.
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