College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

"Who says the GD had such an issue? (I may have lost track of something in the discussion above, and you may have made this clear.) Routine GD counsel was quite the opposite, i.e., regular (e.g., daily) performance."

Just a Youtube Video I watched recently from Nick Farrell in relation to GD LBRP myths. Should have just pressed the ignore button them Jim!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPttRJxBTg

As for the invoking response, that is exactly what I have been looking for. Many thanks.

@Vadox said

"Well if rituals drain you, then you are doing to much of them. I found that the simplier i do the more steady, slow growing and more grounding energies are."

Thanks for the tips Vadox.

@Jim Eshelman said

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@ptoner said
"Banishing can make you feel drained and empty"

Then you're doing it wrong. (Really wrong.) The effect should be quite the opposite."

I did say "can", I have heard other friends saying that it drains them but I have never had that effect at all.
Quite the opposite in fact. I took what these, experienced adepts said and thought i had been wrong all these years.
So please excuse my basic sentence earlier.

So is it just the Golden Dawn that has issues with the LBRP being used regularly then?
As for using the Lesser invoking ritual of the Pentagram, when should it be used?

Why did AC declare to involve often (from Abramelin originally), surely to use the invoking ritual of the pentagram more regularly would be more important? Only using the banishing in order to clear spaces when required and invoking in order to connect to the divine?
Banishing can make you feel drained and empty, whilst invoking adds to your spiritual strength and focus.
Wondering if anyone can enlightened me additionally.

The Abbey of Thelema - 1920 -A fresh start in the digital realm?

I have finally completed a set of plans and have shared them on my blog at the link at the bottom of the page.
These drawings will not be 100% accurate and may not reflect the actual structure of the Abbey but with the information and assistance of others, its as good as it gets from my end.
If anyone after looking at the plans has additional information to add or can provide me with high resolution mural images, please email me at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:me@paultoner.com">me@paultoner.com</a><!-- e -->.

Next is to set up the 3D shell of the Abbey for a walk through etc. After that, trying to render the walls to each room.

This will take a while!

www.paultoner.com/WORDPRESS/?p=798

@Uni_Verse said

"
With much more powerful national identities
Which at the end of the day are irrelevant to the Work

An important aspect, I would think
Is that the physical location of the Temple should not determine its membership
If the Temple is located in France, for instance
There should not only be French people, also Germans and Spaniards
"

National identities are irrelevant to the Work, I concur but understanding your roots and connecting with your ancestors has been prevalent from the dawn of time. It echos through everything, even via linages etc in other Thelemic bodies.

Why should I use Egyptian deities in order to conduct the Work when much more powerful energies lie with those I am surrounded by? Membership is not limited to just Irish, the Irish in the Orders title refers to the focus being Celtic/Gaelic.

@Archaeus said

"Its a pity really because apart from AA there doesn't seem to be much in the way of Thelemic teaching orders active in Europe. and that one is quite a big step, and not what your complete beginner might want.
OTO is nice, but it's very much a social thing, great for making friends, but I can't say that it's taught me much, but then I could be mistaken as I never bothered going beyond I*."

Well there is a choice in Ireland for those interested in Thelemic organisations.

*(http://irishorderofthelema.com/)

Any further news on where the Stele was moved too or when it will be back on display.
Lucky enough that it escaped the civil uprising may I add.

@LAShTAL said

"As mentioned above by Phila111, much of Thelemapedia remains - enhanced and updated - at LAShTAL.COM as the Encyclopedia Thelemica."

What a resource www.lashtal.com is!

@Marlowe said

"Yawning is sometimes a symptom of anxiety in patterned behaviours.

Specifically, its a common symptom in relation to feelings of apprehension and self-consciousness during or prior to performance. Anticipation causes an unconscious tension of the upper torso that triggers the yawn. Does that ring true for you at all?"

Cant say it does Marlowe. I am in the same space every time and extremely confortable doing the LBRP. Never tense at all.

@Jim Eshelman said

"FWIW, I remain of the opinion that this is over-interpretation - almost supersititious attribution of meaning - and not anything of consequence.

Of course, I could be wrong about that and you could be annihilating vast universes and swallowing enormous amounts of lethal radiation with every yawn. "

Beginning to lean in your direction.... to analytical. I most likely have formed the association myself and should give it no thought.

@Veronica said

"I think that maybe you need to do some asanas before....sounds like your body needs a good stretching. Sun salutations or moon salutations are a great flowing stretcng excersize for your entire body. Do each posture in the flow as full as you are able, breathing with the movement, using the breathe to stretch.

A ritual is an exercise, and one should always warm up and stretch first.

I personally examine all mundane factors before even thinking about magical or spiritual.....

If you use opiates at all, yawning is common.
If you are at all nervous about your performance, or your intentions are not clear, yawning is common.

If you grew up around people who habitually yawned at a certain stimulus ( ie time of day, or body movements) you could be conditioned to yawn, subconsciously.

If the room you are in is too warm, or too cold....you could yawn.

If you eat to quick, or to slow. You could yawn...

There are so many reasons why,
You are a human being, and human body's do things that need to be done.
If it bothers you then maybe the issue is not that you are yawning, or burping or what ever is happening during your rite, but the fact that it is bothering you."

Asana... could be an option. I generally rarely yawn as I train 5 times a week and have a healthy diet that consists of veg, fruit and meat with almost no processed foods. I am never tired because of it and full of energy. Hence why I questioned the yawning. But it may just be that I have now associated it with the arch angel and why it repeats....

Thanks for your reply Veronica.

My breathing is very well regulated, even when i comes to the individual lines of the pents i have the breath co ordinated with each stroke. Every morning I meditate also for 20mins before showering and getting organised for work.

I do my LBRP every day at 12 noon, following noon resh. Always have done it this way.

What do you think?

Could I be lacking in elemental balance like someone else suggested? Could anyone elaborate on this possibly? or have any other suggestions?

Welcome Totus,

Click on the link on my sig for other likeminded people in Ireland.

Well after continuing with the LBRP for around 5 years there was a cessation of the yawning as I called on Archangel Michael. Now tho it has switched to regularly occurring when i call on Raphael. Same type of yawn. Not one bit tired, healthy, focused with intent and purpose. I do think that my subconscious is trying to tell me something.

Maybe unbalanced like "underabloodredsky" says?

I do not look on it as being over analytical tho. It strikes me a begin a message that needs to be paid attention too.

Anyone any serious thoughts on this?

Hey Sethur,

Yeah noticed you created the forum and then left it and did not post any responses on it... Almost died straight off the bat...

Following more in depth study the yawns start or happens when i visualize archangel Michael in the south.
But i will not be taking much from this fact it prob means very little in the greater scale of things!

93 Nasdaqdeville

If you haven't already i suggest that you buy and read "Magick, Liber ABA, Book 4 " in order to understand how to consecrate the elemental weapons etc.

A good instruction on the LBRP can be found in Lon Milo DuQuette's book "The Magick of Aleister Crowley: A Handbook of the Rituals of Thelema" and reading the footnotes and mentioned books expands on his guidelines.

I suggest that you try and read as must as possible about the ritual and all its relative factors. Then put these visualizations and actions into the workings of the LBRP.
I am sure most people on here have slightly different variants of the ritual that have evolved over time, i know i have.

Like bryan has said the LBRP does develop over time as you become more familiar its structure, words and visualizations. As the old phrase says... "practice makes perfect".
Persist with it daily at least twice a day, following a few weeks of this you will begin to feel changes in you related to the practice.
For myself, after 2 or more years of doing this 2-3 times a day, still feel different sensations or new insights almost weekly.
The value of LBRP cannot be underestimated in my opinion.

PS your not doing anything wrong at all... Bryan hit the nail on the head.. the first time i did it also i felt stupid... i was half pissed at the time...
But the early days of learning the ritual and stumbling about are soon left behind.

Good luck

LOL maybe i am therefore taking it a bit too far then with my attention to detail!
On a side note my mind is not wandering at all so that can be ruled out... from memory it mainly starts before the second QC just after the affirmation.

Anyways thanks for the feedback..

PS the sneezing and flatulence has happened also! but thankfully not as often!

93 All
As part of my daily practice I have been carrying out Resh 4 times a day followed by LBRP for at least 18 months... whilst this is a long and mundane practice for some, i find that it is such a complex ritual, that almost daily i notice different details or improve aspects of it personally for me.

Now since the turn of the year i have started Regardies "One Year Manual" and have also been twice a day using the "Body awareness" task twice a day and have move up from 10 mins to 15mins a session as he advises until the month is concluded and 30mins for each session is achieved.

It has only been since the start of this year and possibly the start of Regaries program that during the LBRP following Resh that i have started to Yawn once during the course of the ritual. This at first started in the work place where i conduct myself in the usual location and has since spread a week later to my personal temple at home.
Is this a common occurrence?
Do people generally yawn during rituals or am i doing something wrong...
Just to add i am not tired in the slightest but i still yawn...

Possibly i am be answering my own question here but also since the start of the year i have noticed a change in the way i charge each pentagram...
I actually feel the energy surging up my body and out thru my arms (the enterer) into the pentagram.
Sometimes it happens before i get to this stage and more often than not after...

I am very interested to listen to anyone else that has experienced this or is aware of what it represents.

IMHO possibly its due to the A.'.A.'. being tied into the O.T.O. these days, mainly, not in all circumstances of course.

Meaning that more often than not if you don't initially join and go past minerval in the O.T.O. then you wont get the option to be accepted into the A.'.A.'. as quite a few O.T.O. members by and large are in the A.'.A.'.

Personally i think that is totally inappropriate and defeats the purpose of the systems membership.

Some people dont want to have to belong to a social club.