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    This is a chapter that has also influenced a lot of my thinking. While I do not think Timothy Leary's 8 circuits of consciousness model has aged well, there are other ideas in this chapter that continue to stand out to me. "Each time an internal or external trigger causes us to quantum jump from one "self" to another, the whole world around us appears to change also." (Page 157). I am reminded of RAW's example that the person who goes to work and clocks in "is" not the same person who goes home and makes love to their partner. Although it may be the same body in both situations, there are very different mind states that accompany these activities. These mind states affect which behaviors are open and available to the body in both situations. These mind states also think and communicate very differently from each other. Depending on the personality constellation of the individual, these states might be "closer" or "further" away from each other in the individual's psychic territory. If one could imagine a circle that contains all of the possible selves an individual can embody, then some might be closer to the center and closer to the boundary. Depending on where one self might be located in relation to another, this could be an easy jump, or a jump that requires a lot of energy because it seems "further" away from the current embodied self. I have brought this idea up to someone else in the Order once who told me that they disagreed. They believed that we are the same person in all situations, and I interpreted what they were saying to mean that you aren't living in alignment if you aren't the same person throughout all situations. Having typed this out, I think that there may have been some confusion of the planes in that conversation, because it occurred to me that the greater circle encapsulating the constellation of selves can be likened to the Self, and from that plane, yes, you are only Self. The change of selves in Assiah seem to be the waxing and waning of Yesod, where change is constant. With that in mind, it occurred to me that by integrating the Tree of Life into our aura, we form a new personality constellation and develop efficient pathways. For example, someone may have a bunch of selves located all over their circle of Self. The connections between these selves have varying levels of movement (with some connections that are unavoidable and fast like in knee jerk reactions, and others that are more slow and difficult to tread on towards the self in mind). One could theoretically have a ball of spaghetti as their paths between these selves in their circle of Self, but I imagine this could cause lots of confusion and difficulty in knowing how to "show up" in each situation. The paths on the Tree of Life function like these connections, and the Sephiroth hold those forces that cause different selves to manifest in different situations. If that analogy is somewhat accurate, then theoretically the Tree of Life creates a more efficient system for the personality to constellate. There are clearly a lot of benefits to this aside from efficiency (such as the freedom to show up as you choose in any given situation and access to new selves in situations that one otherwise only reacted to with a particular set).
  • A place to be less intellectual.

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    0: The pain of division is as nothing: All knowledge is inversion, a result of lack, longing—a reflection, a negation. Warmth, the absence of cold; shadows only cast by forms bathed in light; self, perceptible only in distinction from Other—the Divine concealed solely by perception, a boundary, stubborn dissonance. A relationship through negation, for something to be known—ignorance either exists or must be assumed, remnants of the forgotten, reviled, and neglected—cast away as shells, mementos awaiting remembering. Words manifest Something from Nothing, pure darkness: language—distinctions, differentiation, definitions, more words. All words are sacred—singular and purposeful, conceptually pure—all interpretations aside. Objects, containers, bridging order to chaos, dispersion, illusion. Rhythms of memory, sonic arrangements, symbolically represented, communal sacraments, themselves the shadows on the wall, ideal forms, miraculous, alluring, enchanting reflections, lacking context—detail. Veils. Smiles. Describe the chair, in its chairness. What is that image? Now consider all possible other chairs. Do all these share the qualities described? What is inherent? The quality of an object that is sat upon? What makes a rock, a table, a bed, a stump, a horse, your partner—not a chair? What is a chair upon which you cannot sit? Is a chair a relation to intention, of purpose? Does the rock, table, bed, stump, horse, partner become a chair because it is so deemed? Concepts, vibrations, forms, manifestation. High rates of oscillation generate greater density, rigidity, solidity—the outcome of this ecstatic dance, certainty: like an Oak, a Mountain, a wall. With time, water and wind carve crevices, contours—eventually springs, creeks, rivers, canyons, valleys, seas. The fertility, the wealth of what was—a wall, an Oak, a Mountain nourishing the valley floor, the coral bed. Longing gives way to attraction, Attraction gives way to certainty, Certainty gives way to longing anew. The colors are many, and the Light is one. I AM, divided for love’s sake: In wholeness, there is stillness, quiet—Absolute peace, ineffable, indiscernible, undifferentiated, void of thought, before word, and without consideration of deed. From the assertion of No Thing sprang forth a boundless view, a joyous light from whence descended a tumultuous darkness. From the darkness issued a terrible cry, indecipherable, preceding language, meaning. As if in response, the Word came forth from the Light—creation, the initial form, a precise vibration, solace, a reminder. In each opposition, lies a resolution in complements—reverse polarities, repulsion becomes attraction. Of the Ordeals, refuse none, know and destroy the consoler and the consoled. Weight—avoidance, denial, shame—all-consuming fear, cycling, annihilation, release. Context a surface, a theatre for rehearsing dramas of tension, scripted narratives, bad faith. In seeking only Beauty, there is the quest for the grails, the heart of Truth. If imagination can render Sisyphus happy, healthy, grateful, then of what consequence is Ordeal? Sorrow is but a shadow, a ringing in the ear, passing, and there is that which remains—All existence is pure joy. Desire is a veil, a wound, a chalice. Satiety belies completeness, self-satisfied, base climax and refractory repose, holding an idol before Truth. A seemingly vast emptiness, unfathomable, desperate, eager to be filled perpetually, only to be consumed, left barren, bare—no closure, no proliferation, no maturation, no scar, open—a commitment to suffering, inviolate. When this rent becomes mended, and then hardened, smoothed, shaped, refined, first as wood and then of silver—reflections, Remembrance. Matter, appearing unaware, seeming inert, is full of spirit. Within the God of Spinoza, how could it be otherwise? Against a grey-mauve wall of rock, all variation, every edge, blend. Natives of this clime see a stairway to heaven, while it is insurmountable, or abysmal to the eye, the perspective of an alien. Hubris under these conditions, unawareness, bad faith, shortcuts portend utter destruction, calamity—the stone indifferent, success cannot be feigned. For the chance of union: Absolute Absence is fallacious, a jest, as is anything absolute. A secret always betrays its mystery, the Singular implies none, Multitude, the ineffable a terrible din. Any first by necessity is, must be the last of what was, is, could have been. Initiation, remembrance—differentiation conveys wholeness. To Be—or not to Be, that is the question. The Bard proclaimed: the heartache of a thousand shocks, t’is the consummation which all devout longing did manifest. “Come unto me” is a foolish turn of phrase: for it is I that goes. A breath, a pause, a moment will be filled by a wondering thought, attention to Other in action, the Word of God, the vibration, Light, Love, Liberty, Life. In a boundless expanse, without beginning and without end—every point is the center—each thought unto itself a cosmos, every action destroyer of worlds, and the Word—regenerator of the world, the little world, heart and tongue. These spaces, shrouds—suggesting, divulging without detail that which is below, within. Anonymity is small, hermetic, a veil; Unanimity truth, understanding, balance. Sun, child, hero, villain, saint, sinner—upon the precipice, with confidence, hubris. The dogs nipping, encouragement, and with leaping laughter that next pace, into the abyss, uncertainty, adventure, unquestionable success. The only failure diffidence, hesitation, the infernal question—”why?,” because yielding inaction, calcification, stagnation. Facets, perceptions, conceptions, belief—actors, pretenders to authorship clinging tightly to saccharin, false, idols of self. With every sacrifice, freedom, every surrender a becoming. A king relinquishes certainty, a saint relinquishes purity, a lover relinquishes solitude. The Word loving its reflection, can only descend, enter, to dwell therein. Imbibing in sense, rapture, intrigue, the sole mystery hidden, secreted away as its revelation, too soon, too prescient, would bring calamity, ruin. This ecstatic dance reaches a fever pitch, a vibratory rate, intense, locking in patterns, emergent definitions, manifestation, solidity. From this stage, expression, myriad, the players unaware of the script, roles. Lovers getting closest to the truth. Losing self in Other, a model, a trinket suggesting the One reality, the joy of dissolution All. 1: The Abyss: When the locus of identity is centered externally—a willful rejection of truth, unmoored, impermanent, changeable, passivity in the world of action, the world of service—the personality eventually manifests the conditions for the ultimate betrayal: the abandonment of Self, the true heresy, the unpardonable sin. Nothing is gained that is not inherently present; nothing may be redeemed that could possibly be lost. Redemption is a bad word, for it presumes debt, deficiency, an account awaiting settlement. A Star, as a result of function, of nature, radiates light and life, sustenance and joy to All, without diminution of substance or effulgence, approximately forever. Every thought, every word, every deed alters the balance of worlds both seen and unseen. To understand all things, to love all things, to perform all things, to endure all things—these are not virtues, they cannot be worn like badges, grasping for acknowledgement—they are consequences, choices, participation, engagement. The task is not the salvation of others, what is being saved? What or who is being protected? The hubris necessary to make such assumptions exposes a deep insecurity, a grave misUnderstanding. Every piece of thinking meat is ignorant of something, at some point— experiences, opportunities, curiosities being infinite, and the limitations of capacity being quite finite. The aim is Remembrance, as if to awaken from an ageless sleep, to a Great Inheritance, already possessed. Therefore worship is a path. Not hierarchical worship, nor worship of authority, but reverence toward the secret flame burning in the heart of each beast, each child, and each sage. To approach another with absolute respect is not sentimentality, it is discipline, it is recognition. Those honored to serve humanity, via earned, lived, conscious, true compassion gradually step by step become incapable of contempt. Distinctions vanish, every distinction reveals another facet of the One Light. Humility is born, not of weakness, but from lived experience, perspective. 2: The Image: Descending through the firmament, the Word came to rest upon the Water, bringing calm, at the point of impact, rippling outward concentrically for eternity. Perspectives shifted; those things above the mists, in the Air and the fire of Light, assumed the qualities of the Light—effervescent, beauteous, orderly. As the Waters settled, and the Heavens were arranged by the Administration of the Active, there arose the possibility of seeing. Distinction. Above and Below. Light and Shadow. Nature, astonished by Being, swooned deeply upon the face of the Divine, ordered itself to convey this beauty, to reflect it. The Reflection: Anthrōpos beheld the Image and was filled with wonder. Narcissus beheld the Image and was consumed with desire. Anthrōpos saw Beauty and sought relation, unity. Narcissus saw Beauty and sought domination, possession. Anthrōpos found completion in the reflection. Narcissus only saw self in the reflection. Anthrōpos found a doorway. Narcissus built a prison. Anthrōpos entered the world. Narcissus abandoned the world. Anthrōpos engaged, became participant. Narcissus obsessed, became spectator. Anthrōpos loved the Beloved. Narcissus loved the Image. Anthrōpos remembered. Narcissus forgot. The Interplay: Beauty itself is without intention, beyond motivation, it is an Echo of Remembrance. Is Truth self-serving, could it ever be? No! Beauty does not assert—beauty is expression, beauty is revelation, realization, balance—harmony. Mountains do not demand admiration, nor does a flower require affection. The Beloved does not compel devotion, demands not aught in sacrifice, makes no condition. All such longings, fascinations, obsessions, appreciations can only arise within the observer. Beauty is a recognition in the Heart, a recognition of Truth. 3: Is a God to live in a dog? If the dog were merely, solely, only a dog in its dogness, what is it that draws reverence? What inspires affection, reciprocity? What hidden splendor peers through those deep, dark, soulful eyes? To worship the dog is not to mistake it for a god, but to recognize that God has not failed to inhabit the dog. Identity, an expression of individuality, uniqueness, belonging. Amongst infinite possibility, infinite variation, infinite diversity, what is a Thelemite, a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Jew? Does the name reveal the Star, or merely a passing fashion, a t-shirt, shiftless? Is identity consistent with True Will, or a refuge from it? When does belonging cease to be communion and become enclosure? At what point does distinction become separation? Unexamined identity is Bad Faith. What begins as orientation hardens into certainty; what begins as communion becomes enclosure. Names become walls. Symbols become idols. Distinction becomes separation. A sword, an arrow—discernment measures action, current position, now in relation to course, to the Path. In all the meanderings—with, to the left, to the right, to-and-fro. Each correction, each choice, a reorientation to Center. The pain of division is the price, the consequence of adventure, deviation, misapprehension, the entry into the crucible of who, what, where, when, why. Because! To forget, to remember, and to forget again. The wall, the Oak, the Mountain was never the World. The Daughter, the extension, full expression of the Mother—the womb wherein ALL is begotten, and to which All will return. Manifestation is required for forgetting, where remembrance can occur, wherein the possibility to Rejoice, to imbibe, to leap into the abyss, to celebrate diversity as a celebration of Unity. In this, the Kingdom, all is fulfilled, all is realized, all is resolved. “But if you know what life is worth You would look for yours on Earth And now you see the light You gotta stand up”…. Stoop not down, Rise up, Rise with the rapture of being, Rise with love of diversity, Rise with courage in your heart, Rise with the Dawn, Rise with the Sun at the heart of Soul.
  • Per user request, here is a place to discuss dream interpretation.

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    I saw a short video how in Hinduism there is a teaching that the last thing you think when you die determines how you will reincarnate. Then he said that sleeping is a rehearsal for death, so that every night before you go to sleep to mind your thoughts. I didn’t get what he recommended what you think. I decided to think about all the love I have not only with my partner; but everyone, all my friends, and all my temple members. This was a wonderful practice I will continue.
  • Q&A and discussion on the Path of Initiation

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    I’ve been asked about my experience with “strange drugs.” I assume you’re asking about actual drugs, what people would call drugs, and by including “strange,” I assume you mean those with the more powerful effects on consciousness. But before turning to that, let me say that my own approach to interpreting Liber L is to assume its verses have infinitely many meanings, that they “varieth ever” (Liber LXV i 52), and there’s no reason to assume the meanings for any two people overlap. Beyond that, I’ve found that every time I sit down to seriously consider some verse or phrase or word in L, it shows me a new meaning, often in ways that require me to significantly modify my models of M. (By “M” I mean that portion of reality which gives rise to all the phenomena we currently categorize under Magic, Mysticism, Religion, Enlightenment, Animism, Divination, ESP, OBEs (out-of-body experiences), NDEs (near-death experiences), Synchronicity, the Occult and so forth—AND EVERYTHING ELSE. In my current working model, M is a layer of Physics underlying what present-day Physics studies, which I regard as limited to only the tiniest and least important part of the Universe. One of Physics’ current theories is that the Universe came from a quantum fluctuation—I think it came from M, which used be called “Eternal,” but which I prefer to model as coming from a layer of reality that is outside of Time and Space, Time and Space being emergent properties which aren’t fundamental.) And one of the meanings I find in “strange drugs” is “Anything which amplifies one’s connection to M.” And for me that can include such things as reading, writing, painting, dancing and even—gasp!—S-E-X. I’ve also found the Arts can be M amplifiers. As Humankind has long noticed, artistic inspiration and M inspiration (Seership) overlap. My current model is that what we presently call “inspiration” signifies “Drawing from M.” And while I haven’t experienced it myself, I’ve read accounts of people experiencing the astonishing effects of what is called “peak performance” (or “flow” in the work of Mihály Csíkszentmihályi) in athletics (basketball, hockey, soccer, ice skating, mountain-climbing and the martial arts were the examples I’ve read about) which seem to me to be instances of amplified M connection. Finally, let me add, that ANY ACTIVITY WHATSOEVER, whether raising children or fighting wars or running a business, if Aligned with one’s pure will, and in which one invests heavily with one’s M power, will amplify one’s M connection. As for actual drugs, I’ve found that, for me, both caffeine and sugar can be effective in amplifying the M connection. I don’t smoke, but in trying to better understand why people find nicotine so addictive, I once bought a carton of nicotine pouches, and, since I seem to be a perennially reckless fool (even now in my 70’s!), I gave myself a very powerful dose, and though I made myself so sick I’ve never felt like repeating the experiment, I did find that it also amplified the M link. But over 50 years ago, I also did peyote (back then, Carlos Castañeda was all the rage) which is a natural form of mescaline, a powerful form of THC (the active ingredient in marijuana), and LSD. And they were all VERY powerful M amplifiers (or rather, can be—it depends how you use them). As a general matter, I would say that for those seriously devoted to M development who are still beginners and struggling to connect to M, powerful drugs of that sort can be welcome aids. They are ladders you can climb up to temporarily engage with M more powerfully than you could otherwise, and so you can see all sorts of things that will advance your understanding of M. What’s more, they can give you experience in handling altered states of consciousness which will serve you well when it comes to handling M altered states. The old religions are fools, in my view, for opposing drugs of that sort, because for just pennies and a few hours, they could bring home to their devotees what a lifetime of sermons cannot—that M exists, that it needn’t be taken on faith, that you can go experience it for yourself, after which you can skip going to the house of worship because you recognize they don’t deal with the real thing there or even know what it is. (Which may be why they oppose them—fear they’ll be exposed as fakes!) Having said that, I need to add that just because such drugs CAN be M amplifiers, allow you to experience M more fully than you could otherwise, and teach you about M, I’m not saying they WILL. That would depend on a lot of factors, and not having studied the matter, I don’t want to pretend to know what they all are when I don’t. But I would guess that an important factor would be serious devotion to M, what Crowley called the Great Work, and what I prefer to call the Life of U or the Life of Light (i.e., the life of the Universe or All Possible Universes plus the Life of the Light apart from any Universe). If you’re just doing the drugs for fun, then maybe they won’t help you with M (but they might—M life, if followed intensely, tends to be one unexpected thing after another). CAUTION, CAUTION, CAUTION: I can never speak positively about drugs without adding a serious caution. I am not the only reckless fool in our species. I am not the only terribly needy person who may reach for drugs because they are so desperate for something—ANYTHING—to relieve their distress. These things are powerful. And as the news headlines about addiction and overdose deaths make so terribly plain, they can do you all sorts of damage. And, of course, until the Aeon takes hold, you can still go to prison or be shot dead by internal security forces for possessing them. So though your head may be in the stars, you do have to deal with all those pesky little practical problems down here on Earth. a) You should be in relatively good psychological shape before doing these drugs, you should have plenty of self-awareness and understanding, because drugs can unlock all your repressions and the personal demons that come flying out may overwhelm you if you’re not prepared to deal with all you’ve buried in your unconscious. I distinctly remember one of my friends freaking out on LSD because he discovered homosexual impulses in himself, unaware that sexologists have been telling us since the 19th century that everybody’s got those though they may play little or no part in one’s life as a practical matter. And you don’t want to freak out on LSD because there’s no telling what you might do. And these drugs can open the door to M quite a bit wider than it is normally (it’s always open a little bit, even for those who have no interest in M or even deny it exists), and you may find yourself unexpectedly dealing with M phenomena you don’t want to deal with—psychological health and dedication to the Highest can give you a lot of protection. b) If you’re inexperienced in using those drugs, you only want to do them in a heavily buffered and supportive environment—STAY HOME. i) Choose a time when you’re not going to be interrupted by external concerns. ii) Only be with people you know and trust and who are going to be supportive of you and look after you should you run into trouble. Best if you also have someone experienced in the drug you’re using who can throw an arm across your back and help you through any rough patches. iii) Don’t be an idiot like me and start off with triple the usual dose. You have to make your own decisions, of course, and many prefer to learn the hard way—they find anything other than high risk a bore—but to everyone else I suggest baby steps. iv) Don’t take the drugs when you’re upset—you want to be in a relatively good frame of mind. v) If you’re familiar with M operations, you may want to fortify your mental state by beginning with the same sort of preparations you would make for a serious M ritual. vi) And stick with these cautionary protections at least for the first few times until you’ve gotten familiar enough with the effects of the drug to gain confidence you can “walk” on your own and handle yourself without support. Someone then questioned my concern with harm by citing L ii 22’s “They shall not harm ye at all.” I can only interpret L for myself. And one of the ways I would interpret that verse is in parallel to the Second Chapter of the Bhagavad Gita (Gita 2), distinguishing the Hoor-paar-kraat self (Hpk), which is immortal and invulnerable, with the ordinary animal self. Hpk, your Star self, is not going to be harmed even if you kill your animal self off with an overdose or reckless act while high. And beyond Gita 2, yes, if you’re an advanced M student, then you’ve assimilated that part of Crowley’s Magister Oath (found in “John St. John” in Equinox I 1, available online)—“I will interpret every phenomenon as a particular dealing of God with my soul.” And as a part of that, you come to recognize that “Every Bad Thing is a Good Thing.” But that’s an advanced notion, not for beginners—it’s a Magister Oath after all, not a Neophyte. Of course, I cannot claim to know what’s “best” when it comes to last-mile implementation down here on Earth of the principles of L—that’s beyond the mental capacity of my little animal. But I take as my relevant guide here, “. . . her soft feet not hurting the little flowers . . .” One of the M maxims is, “The world is held together with delicate membranes.” I don’t want to go around damaging some other part of the Universe because I’m clumsy, coarse and violent, a bull in a china shop. So whenever I speak positively about drugs, I recognize that may inadvertently influence someone inexperienced into acting recklessly with regard to drugs. I can’t decide for them, as I say, some prefer a reckless lifestyle, but for those who don’t, I want to try to give them a balanced view so they can make a more judicious choice. You know, Liber L, L-Libra, the Scales, which say to me, “The Scales must Balance.” Hope this helps! Best, D.
  • Q&A and discussion on the world view encapsulating humanity's current stage of evolution

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    It's impossible to say what any psychopath's True Will might be. I feel the True Will is individual. For example, it's not uncommon for people to think they want or need something, and then work at achieving, obtaining, or manifesting it. But in reality, this desire or need, or the drive to achieve, obtain, or manifest it, came from another person connected to them. Then, this was not the person's True Will. Other than the obvious divergent wiring, I don't see how a psychopath is any different from any other, regarding their True Will. Unless I've misunderstood.
  • Q&A and discussion on the Hermetic Qabbalah

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    I came to the forum after long-time-no-see with a question in mind to post and randomly checked here in Qabalah section to see what's new - to find this old thread that addresses, however in its own different way, exactly the subject of my question ! Does anyone know (ideally, historical info, with year/century and everything pertinent) when the Shemhamphorash started being attributed to the Zodiac, in sequence as we now have it?
  • Q&A and discussion on yoga and other avenues of mysticism

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    @Uni_Verse said "The Mystics' Rede (of I) four-square, mystic, I am a Nigh-hil-is-tic! Who can know nothing, there : being, no thing to know Though I dare O, my god ! I DO, DARE : TO WILL To feel, to think, to be-leaf When, said: "This is THAT," I recoils, horrified At the denial of my validity Sanctity of my solemn-I-ty Accepting, Respecting Beliefs Best I can do as a fellow Me to You TOOT, TOOT HOOT, HOOT" Reading this just brought Brightness of Laughter, pure-undiluted-solar-simple-Happiness, to start my day!
  • Q&A and discussion on ceremonial magick

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    Also, I used an invocation from the Book of the Goddess: https://sacred-texts.com/wmn/bog/index.htm
  • Scriptural meditations of the day from the Thelemic canon, with primary emphasis on Liber LXV, Liber VII, and Liber CCXX. (Meditations with no responses after 2 days will be deleted - we want to encourage ACTIVE DISCUSSION.)

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    @Takamba said "When Volume II of the Equinox was supposed to come out, there was nothing for Crowley to offer (lack of money and whatnot plus maybe other things). Crowley dubbed Volume II of the Equinox "The Volume of Silence." What a pun! Anyway. He claimed in one writing or another to have taken it up as an A.'.A.'. tradition. I don't remember if it is supposed to be one year or five years of silence. I am suspecting that Jim has adopted this tradition and it is why we haven't heard from him in so long (this is all assumption at this point). Let's hope it's one year and not five." In addition to the Holy Books of Thelema, I would recommend Crowley's "Confessions" as required reading. Read "The Confessions of Aleister CrowleY" and "John St. John". (Not necessarily directed towards Takamba) Reading those two texts/books will integrate your brain with Crowley's thinking. I would say that such reading is more important than anything Abramelin ever wrote... Compare the Abramelin technique with what I suggested in my Psalms of an Aeon (stupid, ridiculous title) #20. It's all about increased devotion. Devotion is just thought, belief, dogma, rubbish. True devotion represents a diminishment of thought so that thought becomes one-pointed, and then through that one-pointedness the mind subsides and all that is left is awareness. HGA?
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    @danica said " @AliceKnewI said "I notice that the sun rays curve as if it were rotating widdershins - counterclockwise. Why would that be? I would have expected Deosil - "sunwise" Any insights for this?" this is how it appears the Zodiac is moving on daily basis (diurnal Earth rotation), what we see from earth" Oh, thanks so much! 93 93/93