Talisman
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
@Takamba said
"Daemon come and me wanna go home.
I agree with Jim. You want to use a material that will hold a charge and be in alignment with the intent of the talisman. Of course, you can always substitute when you have to, but I find it best when you can at least make a close approximation to the correct correspondence. Your mileage will vary."
Makes sense that if we make a little effort to get the appropriate metal then it pays off. I wonder what Crwoley sued to use.
Also what about our own blood added to sacred sexual fluids?
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
@gerry456 said
"Makes sense that if we make a little effort to get the appropriate metal then it pays off. I wonder what Crwoley sued to use."
While that sort of thing is theoretically of a compatible nature, some of those Sacred Metals don't hold a physical charge worth a damn. Copper would be great, for example, but lead? I think some kinds of high-conductivity clay would work better.
"Also what about our own blood added to sacred sexual fluids?"
You don't gain anything in particular from using two high-vitality bodily fluids, unless there is a symbolic reason, e.g., adding blood because it's a Mars talisman.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
I've just seen your initial response Jim. I must've scrolled too fast.
Anyway, so treat the magickal force as we would electricity?
Copper wire sound like the best bet, maybe tightly wrapped around tin? I'm sure hardware stores stock it.
Copper coins sounds good but I hear that they are not 100% copper. In the UK we have "pennies" the equivalent to US dimes but they are manly zinc apparently.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
@gerry456 said
"Crowley, in Liber O doesn't give details on ceremony or charging."
Actually, he does. (Well, not details.) It's all in paragraph IV:4, presuming you've mastered everything up to that point.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
@Jim Eshelman said
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@gerry456 said
"Crowley, in Liber O doesn't give details on ceremony or charging."Actually, he does. (Well, not details.) It's all in paragraph IV:4, presuming you've mastered everything up to that point."
You mean this;
4. The banishing rituals should be used at the commencement of any ceremony whatever. Next, the student should use a general invocation, such as the "Preliminary Invocation" in the "Goetia" as well as a special invocation to suit the nature of his working. ? -
Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
Yes. In the context of what came before, that's Crowley's complete instruction on how to compose a ritual.
I elaborated it into five categories of steps in Chapter 16 of 776 1/2, and I think mine is better; except I have enormous respect for how concisely and elegantly he compressed it.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
@Jim Eshelman said
"Yes. In the context of what came before, that's Crowley's complete instruction on how to compose a ritual.
I elaborated it into five categories of steps in Chapter 16 of 776 1/2, and I think mine is better; except I have enormous respect for how concisely and elegantly he compressed it."
Ah yes, p108, alright!
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
@Jim Eshelman said
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@gerry456 said
"Makes sense that if we make a little effort to get the appropriate metal then it pays off. I wonder what Crwoley sued to use."While that sort of thing is theoretically of a compatible nature, some of those Sacred Metals don't hold a physical charge worth a damn. Copper would be great, for example, but lead? I think some kinds of high-conductivity clay would work better.
"Also what about our own blood added to sacred sexual fluids?"
You don't gain anything in particular from using two high-vitality bodily fluids, unless there is a symbolic reason, e.g., adding blood because it's a Mars talisman."
IME, blood, one's own or one's partner's, added to anything makes the work more effective.
But that's just me.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
Yeah, you can always add alcohol to Everclear.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
Certainly.
Actually, mixing good liquors is a favourite of mine.
Everclear is too strong in the first place. It's better with something tasty mixed in.
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Can a talisman, a physical object be anything or does it have to relate to planetary correspondence; gold, copper, tin, lead etc? For example what did Crowley use as talismans when he did all those sex magic rituals? Pieces of metal? Paper with planetary sigils written on them?
Thinking on this last night...
I feel what I was trying to get across is you can mix moonshine with everclear.
Especially the kind soaked with kinds of fruit.
White lightning just has something special about it that everclear can't quite match. Like having family crystal compared to lysergide some chemist makes for analytical purposes.
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Anyone else enjoying the snow?